Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

[wazza300]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

only way round that is to go for a single gpu? sell the two 460's?

or a usb tv stick?

[CageJ]

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I'm really glad that brand new - Haswell and Z87 is epic fail. No one who is normal will buy it. Haswell is extremely hot, OC useless and at stock voltage and frequency with stock cooler throttling. Now it is a big chance, that next year will be Haswell refresh. So LGA1150 can survive potentially 3 yrs. Now GB can show us how cares about older MoBos or their sales will rapidly fall down.

[Octopuss]

Re: GIGABYTE Latest Beta BIOS

Haswell and Z87 is epic fail. No one who is normal will buy it. Haswell is extremely hot, OC useless and at stock voltage and frequency with stock cooler throttling.

Stop taking whatever you are taking.

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Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

Prof. Jim, let me assure you that Z87 chipset boards have six (6) Intel 6Gb/s ports. Zero SATA 3Gb/s ports. Just got my Z87 EX 6 yesterday. Still getting it set up, I've been into the UEFI (OMGawd, the number of CPU settings, etc, is crazy, the forum will be bursting with questions) but did not install Windows yet.

OTOH, the latest FUBAR of the ASMedia/Marvell "SATA III"-not chipsets, is although some boards are using the new Marvell 92xx chipsets that actually are connected to (or should be) two PCIe lanes (rather then one PCIe lane with 90% of the 91xx chips), is they now have four SATA ports on each chip. While that seems like an improvement, I'll bet the architecture is such that one PCIe lane is allocated to two ports, and the two PCIe lanes are separate. So the net gain in performance is... zero!

Even better, the same old ASMedia 1061 chipset, with apparently the same architecture as the Marvell 91xx chips (one PCIe lane @ 5Gb/s) are now in some cases being connected to four (4) SATA ports. If used only for storage drives, that normally are accessed individually (one at a time), the resulting speed will be the same as it has been. But if an OS drive and storage drive are used with this ASMedia setup (Ugh!) so they are accessed simultaneously occasionally, performance will plummet.

Next, the initial (very few data points) results on the Intel all SATA III ports with quad-SSDs in RAID 0, show the RAID 0 speed scaling to be dropping off. IOW, no 2,000MB/s sequential read speeds. Not really a criticism on my part, RAID is not magic and I've seen the same thing using four SSDs on Intel SATA II ports. I'm sure we'll be seeing many forum posts about "... where are my 2GB/s read speeds...".

Finally, some very early observations about Haswell CPUs and mother boards (I have an ASRock Z87 EX 6 and i5-4670K):

The number and types of CPU power, BCLK, etc, settings is unbelievable (know how to adjust the FIVR yet?), the learning... cliff over SB and IB is huge.

Imagine some basic CPU power and frequency settings applied to... the chipset and memory! Yep, it will be fun but not for some.

NOTE: Our favorite Samsung green memory works on Haswell systems. Well, at least it does on mine, I have it (first attempt) at 2000, 9 9 9 24 1T, @ 1.35V.

Found the first bug in ASRock's Z87 EX 6 board's UEFI, at least it is only a display error. Imagine gentlemen, you fire up your new Haswell board and CPU system, and you are perusing voltage readings in the HW Monitor screen in the UEFI. You think, "Hmm, what's the Vcore..." since you started the PC for the first time, and CPU voltage settings are on Auto/default. You then see this: Vcore: 1.800V. Say what? You look again, 1.800V. You blink, rub your eyes, clean your glasses, look again and... 1.800V. Noooooo!!

Fortunately, the Vcore is not 1.800V. But something really is 1.800V. Recall how Haswell CPUs have the VRM's in the CPU (or some of them, not all), and yet another new CPU voltage setting is the voltage into the CPU from the board's VRM's. Guess what that default voltage is? Right, 1.800V. I'll spare you the details regarding how I know the Vcore is not 1.800V for now. More adventures in Haswell land to come.

[wazza300]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

yeah I saw that 1.8v voltage somewhere,its not cpu v but its related

you should do 2600mhz+ on those samsung greens with haswell,1.55-1.65 dram v

[boondocks]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

I heard Haswell was going to have more gears and handles to play with, sounds like it's true! That's good, in a way. Only took a very short time to overclock Ivy, especially on a Gigabyte board. Now maybe there will be more stuff to play with.

My Z87 should be here Thursday.

[Acebmxer]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

I will be upgrading this round also. I decided to go with a i5 this round so 4670k for me got batch L311B424 Malay. Waiting on GA-Z87-OC will be here tomorrow along with new water block. I will be testing on stock air cooler, water and then will remove the top and change thermal paste.

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Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

I will be upgrading this round also. I decided to go with a i5 this round so 4670k for me got batch L311B424 Malay. Waiting on GA-Z87-OC will be here tomorrow along with new water block. I will be testing on stock air cooler, water and then will remove the top and change thermal paste.

If you mean the stock Intel cooler, I have an i5-4670K, and the stock cooler is tiny. So far, I'd say Haswell runs as hot as IB does at least, maybe a bit more.

It seems Intel has moved the SpeedStep frequency down from 1600MHz, to 800MHz, man that is low. I don't have C States enabled yet, but according to my Kill A Watt meter, my Haswell system is using ~45W more than my IB system, even using onboard graphics with Haswell. Still experimenting, lots of UEFI settings to play with, some of the high end boards must have settings that go on for page after page.

[wazza300]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

ive seen some cool running haswells so far,so not all chips are hot runners

one thing that's a huge increase with haswell is the memory speeds,seeing some crazy speeds so far

[boondocks]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

I will be upgrading this round also. I decided to go with a i5 this round so 4670k for me got batch L311B424 Malay. Waiting on GA-Z87-OC will be here tomorrow along with new water block. I will be testing on stock air cooler, water and then will remove the top and change thermal paste.

Which block you going with?
Both my rigs still running Raystorms. Not the prettiest but they get the job done.
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Got myself another PowerColor 7950 to replace the 6850's on my backup rig. EK water block should be in the mail today. I thought about triple 7950's on my main rig but with one 27" monitor it would be massive overkill (but sweet looking).

[Vinster]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

I thought about triple 7950's on my main rig but with one 27" monitor it would be massive overkill .

There is nothing wrong with Overkill :)

Vin

[Acebmxer]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

If you mean the stock Intel cooler, I have an i5-4670K, and the stock cooler is tiny. So far, I'd say Haswell runs as hot as IB does at least, maybe a bit more.

It seems Intel has moved the SpeedStep frequency down from 1600MHz, to 800MHz, man that is low. I don't have C States enabled yet, but according to my Kill A Watt meter, my Haswell system is using ~45W more than my IB system, even using onboard graphics with Haswell. Still experimenting, lots of UEFI settings to play with, some of the high end boards must have settings that go on for page after page.

Yeah I was gonna use the tiny stock intel cooler

Which block you going with?
Both my rigs still running Raystorms. Not the prettiest but they get the job done.
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Got myself another PowerColor 7950 to replace the 6850's on my backup rig. EK water block should be in the mail today. I thought about triple 7950's on my main rig but with one 27" monitor it would be massive overkill (but sweet looking).

Going with the EK Supremacy. I have the older block that came out before this. EK says this block is about 2-3c better then older block. Also EK has mounting kit to have the block sit on the naked die it self.

[CageJ]

Re: GIGABYTE Latest Beta BIOS

Stop taking whatever you are taking.

Unfortunately it is true.

[Vinster]

Re: GIGABYTE Latest Beta BIOS

^ Can you provide a little proof to the allegations? reading I'm doing is it's about the same as Ivy.

Vin

[boondocks]

Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

Yeah I was gonna use the tiny stock intel cooler



Going with the EK Supremacy. I have the older block that came out before this. EK says this block is about 2-3c better then older block. Also EK has mounting kit to have the block sit on the naked die it self.

I'm too paranoid to place the block directly on die. When/If I delid I probably do as before and replace the IHS with some CooLaboratory Liquid Pro.