GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

[DaEnigma]

I would love a bit of help as I am having a hell of a time OCing my new system.

I have the Gigabyte UD4P /w newest F8a bios (it seems to fix many sleep issues)
i7 920 /w Mugen 2 & 2 120mm fans in->out
Antec 900 case
3x2gb OCZ OCZ3RPR1866CL9V6GK memory
1 BFG GTX 285 OCX
Corsair HX1000 Power Supply
1 Samsung SH-203N DVDRW
3x320gb Seagate 7200.10 in raid0

I have tried so many settings that I am ready to drop kick this thing.

I can not even get the memory to run at 1866 /w 1.66v and the timing running 9-9-9-28 at the stock 2.66ghz.

I am a total noob with OCing the i7 although I have always OCed, my last PC was an E8400 OCed to 4ghz with the memory at 10-3-4-4 1T 1:1 on air.

I am aiming at ~3.8-4ghz (with or without turbo) with the memory at 1800-1900 (not sure it can do 2000 without a bump to 1.68-1.7v)


Thanks in advance!

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

This is a superb board.

I like mine alot, so I can help for sure!!

Drop kick it? I have seen that phrase 3 or so times this week, is there a drop kick club on the net now or what? J/K

Hey after seeing your ram speed, I think you are one of the users who I saw say that. Have you PM'd me? If so that is why it looks familiar then

Can you provide me a link to your ram, that model # does not show up anywhere on google or OCZ. Wait, is this is (Maybe you mistyped the model #) >>
OCZ Technology | Products | Memory | OCZ DDR3 PC3-15000 CL9 Edition Reaper Low-Voltage Triple Channel

See if this helps ya any for 3.8 with ram at 1866, if not we will try to get you going at stock before we try more on a overclock.

If you do not have any progress please report back with the full settings you tried and how it failed. If you get BSOD Screens try to see the 0x00000000 number because that can tell me alot actually for X58 overclocks

[B]Advanced CPU Features:[/B]
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


[B]Uncore & QPI Features:[/B]
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency ..........................  20-21(Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


[B]Standard Clock Control:[/B]
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................186
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

[B]Advanced Clock Control:[/B]
CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


[B]Advanced DRAM Features:[/B]
Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10.0] = 1860Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]

[B]Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:[/B]
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................9
tRCD .......................................9
tRP .........................................9
tRAS .......................................28

I will leave all these below on Auto for now, but I can help you with the later if you like.  Can you post me a screenshot of CPU-Tweaker with the main page and SPD Page open so I can help you with that once you need it. >>
http://www.tweakers.fr/cputweaker.html

##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................  (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
tRRD .......................................
tWTR ......................................
tWR ........................................
tWTP .......................................
tWL ........................................   (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)(tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
tRFC .......................................
tRTP .......................................
tFAW ......................................
Command Rate (CMD) ................1

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
Round Trip Latency ...................



[B]Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU[/B]
Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
CPU Vcore ...............................1.3-1.425 All up to your CPU (Start with maybe 1.375 and see if that will boot or error, if it boots good then you can lower later, if not add some more BSOD 0x00000101 is not enough Vcore)

QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.2-1.35+ Again all up to your CPU.  Maybe start with 1.35 and see if it boots, if not try more. BSOD 0x0000014 is not enough/too much QPI/Vtt

CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.8-1.9 (Try 1.84-1.86

[B]MCH/ICH[/B]
PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.54
QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.1-1.24+ (May be ok at Auto or 1.1, if you feel it will help try 1.2-1.24
IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.16-1.28 (Maybe 1.20-1.24 should be good)
ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.5-1.58
ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.14-1.2

[B]DRAM[/B]
DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.68-1.72 (1.64 is actually about 1.62-1.63 so you need a bit more for starters anyway.  1.68 should be about 1.66, but you may need 1.7)
DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

That is the memory I have, and I will try the settings out now.


Oh and yes that was me that sent a PM to you lol...

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Ok here it goes,keep in mind I am using the newest beta bios due to the fixed sleep problems (I left some small notes within the settings):

Also I am using Windows 7 x64 7068 ( I am in windows making this post with the below settings)

I also attached the CPU tweaker info.

Finally the processor is a 3836B232 batch number.

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... 20x
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................186
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10.0] = 1860Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]

Channel A + B + C (I used the quick setting)

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................9
tRCD .......................................9
tRP .........................................9
tRAS .......................................28



##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................[Auto]
tRRD .......................................[Auto]
tWTR ......................................[Auto]
tWR ........................................[Auto]
tWTP ......................................[Auto]
tWL ........................................[Auto]
tRFC .......................................[Auto]
tRTP .......................................[Auto]
tFAW ......................................[Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) ................1

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
Round Trip Latency ...................[Auto]



Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
CPU Vcore ...............................1.3750 (tried all the way to 1.4500 (but nothing below 1.3750, which I will try later) with the QPI set to 1.35 and it would lock after the dmi detection and reboot)

QPI/VTT Voltage 1.48v (would not load into windows with less and would provide a BSOD error ending in 124 (not 100% on this as it would reboot extremely fast), this is with 1.3750 on the CPU)
CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.86

MCH/ICH
PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.54
QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.24
IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.24
ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.58
ICH Core 1.1v .........................1.2

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.68
DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

I was getting random 124 BSOD stop codes in windows until I upped the QPI/VTT Voltage to 1.50.

I saw that with such a high memory speed that the QPI voltage may need to be between 1.35-1.62 depending on the IMC, I sure hope this is true lol...

[demonsavatar]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Working with the same board, saw your post that F8a fixed your awaking from sleep issues as well. Still waiting for my TRUE heatsink to get here so I can really start cranking it though :)

A question: any reason why your Load Line Calibration is disabled?

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Just as a starting point Lsdmeasap suggested it so I figured that I should first follow someone whom has much more experience with this platform.

What do you think about my QPI voltage?? I figure due to the memory speed I am running that the QPI will need to be elevated, but I do not know...


Also my current idle temps are ~35-38c with full load temps rising to ~65-69c I like the mugen 2 thus far. There is one exception with the mugen 2, which is that it covers one memory slot and is very close to the one next to it, causing my reaper memory sink to sit on it lol...

[demonsavatar]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

I don't have sense of i7 overclocking yet, but 1.5v QPI seems high to me. I am still scared to change any voltages with my stock cooler on there (44-45C @ idle) though. But that might just be what it takes on your CPU. I know I am getting QPI limited as well higher than 183 BCLK. If I pump up my QPI to 1.275v then I am okay at that setting, but as I said, scared to keep it there with Stock. Problem is we don't know temperatures for the QPI link area of the CPU, only the cores themselves. Makes it scary to pump that voltage too much.

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

I think I may RMA the processor and the board. I have tried running it at 2.66/1867 with 1.66vdimm and 1.35qpi and it would not boot unless I pushed the QPI to 1.44+. I also tried 2.66 with anything over 1066 and it needed at the least 1.4qpi to get into windows and run a benchmark without crash. I mean I am either doing something wrong or something is wrong with the parts...

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Yes, some CPU's need higher QPI then others at any speed. And to add to that some ram XMP Profiles even come with higher then 1.35-1.4+ Standard QPI Voltage setting, so both your ram and CPU can determine that you may just need higher QPI then someone else.

Did you ever try LESS QPI? I found with 2 CPU's that sometimes less QPI posted better then more at certain Blcks. Also, have you tested x21 multi for your uncore when using the 10 ram multi?

Try these and see if you have any better luck >>>

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... 20-21x

Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
CPU Vcore ...............................1.3750 (tried all the way to 1.4500 (but nothing below 1.3750, which I will try later) with the QPI set to 1.35 and it would lock after the dmi detection and reboot)

QPI/VTT Voltage 1.35-1.45+
CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.84-1.88

MCH/ICH
PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.54
QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.24-1.3
IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.24 << Have you tried more/less? Just wondering, may not be needed but then again it may. I have used 1.38+ but only for bench's. I can run 1866 ram speed with only 1.24 here so just wondered what you have tried here
ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.58
ICH Core 1.1v .........................1.2

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.68 << Set 1.7-1.72 (With a higher QPI you may want/need to keep this up more then you expected to as some IMC's like a closer range between Dram voltage and QPI/Vtt than others)

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Yes, some CPU's need higher QPI then others at any speed. And to add to that some ram XMP Profiles even come with higher then 1.35-1.4+ Standard QPI Voltage setting, so both your ram and CPU can determine that you may just need higher QPI then someone else.

Did you ever try LESS QPI? I found with 2 CPU's that sometimes less QPI posted better then more at certain Blcks. Also, have you tested x21 multi for your uncore when using the 10 ram multi?

Try these and see if you have any better luck >>>

QPI/VTT Voltage 1.35-1.45+

IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.24 << Have you tried more/less? Just wondering, may not be needed but then again it may. I have used 1.38+ but only for bench's. I can run 1866 ram speed with only 1.24 here so just wondered what you have tried here

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.68 << Set 1.7-1.72 (With a higher QPI you may want/need to keep this up more then you expected to as some IMC's like a closer range between Dram voltage and QPI/Vtt than others)

Less QPI and it would either not post at all and just sit there or would go into the bios reboot cycle
.
IOH Core I tried 1.2-1.24 no change. (since I do not know what all of the safe values for the setting are I have not moved from your earlier suggested values... yet)

I will try the Dram and 21x multi asap and let you know.

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Ahh, just wondered about the QPI less thing.

Well, safe how? Intel safe or overclocker safe?

Could just be your IMC Needs alot to run that ram so high, that or that ram in particular does not get along with your board very well. Could be either or a combo of both. Only way to tell would be if you had a buddy you could borrow different ram from.

How much QPI and MCH do you need to run your ram at 1600 Cas7 or 8?

[demonsavatar]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Fellow i7 overclocking newb :)

My specs are in my sig, but so far what I have been doing is underclocking the CPU by forcing 12x multiplier and just testing the limits of my QPI/VTT and Ram. Every voltage is set to "NORMAL" except my QPI/VTT and my DRAM. All power saving features of the CPU are also enabled, including the higher C states.

What I have found is that my OCZ Ram (model number in my sig) will not run at the spec of 7-7-7-24 at 1600Mhz (8x200BCLK) unless QPI is near 1.45v and DRAM is at least 1.68v. Same problem at (10x160BCLK). I could imagine higher ram speeds (1800Mhz+) wanting 1.5v or higher for QPI, which is scary on air cooling IMO but you do have a good air cooler.

I don't want to be running QPI over 1.4v so a bit more twiddling and I found I could run the ram at 8-8-8-24 at 1680Mhz (8x210BCLK) at QPI of 1.3v (testing 1.25v as we speak). I hate to think my RAM timings are whats limiting me, not my CPU/QPI, but it appears to be the case. Maybe I should invest in some better RAM :(

By saying it will not "run" I mean it doesn't pass concurrent Prime95 blend testing and Intel Burn Test for at least 2 hours. I will increase my stability testing to 24 hours once I feel closer to my final settings...

Once I know what my ram/QPI can handle then I will push my CPU multiplier and CPU Vcore voltage up. Of course I doubt it will work perfectly, the residual heat from the cores may require re-tweaking of the QPI voltages but at least I will know why :) Of course this could all be stupid because I am a newb...

[DaEnigma]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

I tried 1600 with 8-8-8-24 timimg (tried 9-9-9-28 with same result) with 1.66vdimm and qpi had to be 1.42 just to post, and 1.48 to run Everest processor benchmarks without 124 BSOD errors.

At 1866 I could not post without QPI at 1.46 ans benchmarks could not run without 1.56-1.58, but ~25% of the time it would still fail with a 124 BSOD error.


Both references above was at 2.66ghz processor speed with turbo enabled.


Just for reference I did RMA the memory, PSU out of desperation, and due to the fact that I can not get it to run even when the processor was not overclocked (I know the IMC was).

I think I may RMA the processor today and see what happens with a replacement, procedded by MB RMA if that does not show results.

[demonsavatar]

Re: GA-EX58-UD4P Overclocking

Yeah with those numbers you don't appear to be a memory-bound. Post when you have some results with the new processor, though I would think the board would be the more likely candidate.

Also, do you know what batch your CPU is?