Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

[Phisherman]

First off, I am completley new to Gigabyte, and would like to express my joy and gratitude to Gigabyte and everyone here!

I have been having great fun tuning this board for quite some time now and have learned many new things reading this forum. Thanks to everyones informative and useful posts, especially all admin and moderators!

I have found my max OC with my components individually, and am now working on getting the excellent C.I.A. 2 program fully maxed out. So my PC idles at default settings, yet overclocks automatically, seemingly better than humanly possible. I have read here posted by Lsdmeasap, how overclocking should be done manually and not with this program.
I think the CIA2 idea is excellent and can't wait to see this program mature. Please LSD, or anyone, feel free to input any ideas or comments.

I am now starting to wonder if maybe this program is unwise since I have been receiving conflicting information from CPU-Z and Easy Tune 6 (ET6). While getting the Full Thrust option to successfully work with my PC. I started to notice momentary, insane FSB speeds. And up to 45GHz reported by ET6 CPU. Thats correct, 45000.00MHz! Of course it cannot be possible so I assume ET6 is incorrect, however majority of the time it appears to work perfectly. It only seems to act up when fully loading the PC (I use Prime 95) and running other programs at the same time. CPU-Z reports almost constant Max Speed of 3891CPU, 409 FSB, 409 DRAM.

Sorry for the extremely long post, however I feel this program deserves it's own sticky, since it is such a great way for everyone to overclock their PC while still enabeling all halt states, stock idle speeds, and original OEM energy saving features.

Now a little about my CIA2 Full Throttle overclocking settings:

All BIOS Energy saving features Enabled, and Dynamic Energy saver
ET6 reports: (Fluctuates rapidly)
CPU: 3910MHz
BUS: 411MHz
FSB: 1644MHz

Goes up to 4199MHZ, 5320MHz, etc. while I type this and stress test!

Please, please, let this program be working!

Thanks in advance for any and all input!

[NimrodAUS]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Not real sure about Easy Tuner and CIA2 and all that. Basically I stay right away from stuff like that for the reasons that are floating around, and cause LSD said so. You should not be using CIA2 as from what I understand it will Overvolt your CPU Automagically which is not going to be good. If you insist on using it (which you should) then keep a super clock eye on your vcore and temps. Overclocking should be done from the MIT section in your BIOS. If you leave on EIST and the other thing that I keep forgetting it will throttle your CPU down a bit when not under load. Thats good enough for me. Im Sure when others reply they will say something similar

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Thanks for the input, good advice!

I had to set vcore to 1.3V for stable full thrust. Never seen it go higher than that.

Here is a pic of what I mean. Should I believe ET6 or CPU-Z?

[NimrodAUS]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Yeah Im pretty sure your CPU isnt running @ 5.2Ghz. I would trust CPU-Z as Real temp also agree's with it. What did you set your FSB to?? You should really just set your overclock setting in the BIOS under the MIT Screen. Its much better. DISABLE CIA2

P.S Unless you have a magic CPU there's no way on the planet you would get 5.2Ghz out of it (at all) with 1.232vcore as per Easyloon

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

What did you set your FSB to?? You should really just set your overclock setting in the BIOS under the MIT Screen. Its much better. DISABLE CIA2

P.S Unless you have a magic CPU there's no way on the planet you would get 5.2Ghz out of it (at all) with 1.232vcore as per Easyloon

It seems you do not understand CIA2. The FSB is set to defaults/auto and is dynamically adjusted depending on load by CIA2. ENABLE CIA2 Save the planet!

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Here are screenshots from idle, and under load.

[Chike]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

I have found my max OC with my components individually, and am now working on getting the excellent C.I.A. 2 program fully maxed out. So my PC idles at default settings, yet overclocks automatically, seemingly better than humanly possible

You will have to define "better than humanly possible."
For example, my CPU does 22.599GFlops(1624MB) at 3.4GHz with IBT2.2 and it has half cache than yours.

One thing I have noticed when I was trying to find my FSB limit was that I could get 425FSB by raising FSB and voltage with EasyTune, but when entered those values in BIOS I could not boot. So CIA2 may have an atvantage in this aspect.

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

You will have to define "better than humanly possible."
For example, my CPU does 22.599GFlops(1624MB) at 3.4GHz with IBT2.2 and it has half cache than yours.

One thing I have noticed when I was trying to find my FSB limit was that I could get 425FSB by raising FSB and voltage with EasyTune, but when entered those values in BIOS I could not boot. So CIA2 may have an atvantage in this aspect.

Not sure about Gflops, I am a noob in that department. By better than humanly possible I mean in my first post where I mention ET6 showed me up to 45GHz CPU speed. Thats correct, 45000.00MHz! Only adjustments I have made are in BIOS and I am not using ET6 other than to monitor.

Feel free to fill me in about Gflops. I am sure I can tune this more and have really just started. Upon deciphering your post I ran IBT v.2.3 and improved my Gflops by not using my PC while running. 20.4758Gflops @ (1624MB)

Thank you!

[Chike]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Not sure about Gflops, I am a noob in that department. By better than humanly possible I mean in my first post where I mention ET6 showed me up to 45GHz CPU speed. Thats correct, 45000.00MHz! Only adjustments I have made are in BIOS and I am not using ET6 other than to monitor.

Feel free to fill me in about Gflops. I am sure I can tune this more and have really just started. Upon deciphering your post I ran IBT v.2.3 and improved my Gflops by not using my PC while running. 20.4758Gflops @ (1624MB)

Thank you!

Flops, floating point operations, are are one way to measure computing powr. Giga (mega, tera peta etc.) flops per second represent the amount of floating point operations can be doe by the computer.
Of course different benchmarks may show gain where other show loss and vice versa.

CPU speed, or CPU frequency, does not mean anything other than CPU speed. Do you care if your cengine can do 9000rpm but cannot go over 50mph?

Yes using your OC when benchmarking will get lower results, quiting unnesessary backround applications may also lead to higher results.

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

Thanks for all the infoe Chike!

I also noticed your ram is running much faster than mine which is probably affecting performance.

I have not finished tuning my ram since it is brand new. Was unsuccessful getting 2 sets of Corsair 8500C5C to run at specs.

[Psycho101]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

CIA2 isn't such a great tool IMO. Sure it alters how much your CPU is overclocked by depending on load, but the power saving is nothing like as much as EIST (Speed Step) And C1E give.

The problem with CIA2 is that with settings like CPU Vcore, PLL and CPU Term on auto (which is almost certain if anyone is using CIA2), you could be using MORE power at minimum acceleration than if you were to set the maximum speed manually in the BIOS with correct voltages. As you are using a manual Vcore, have you set CPU term and PLL manually too? Again, correctly tuning these can lead to a drop in Vcore needed.

I commend your efforts to save the planet. I have EIST and C1E enabled, I turn the PC off when not in use and off at the wall at night. I also turn off the monitor manually rather than use a screen saver. My overclock uses the minimum vltage needed to be stable with the tests I have used and not a millivolt more. However if CIA2 is severely over volting your PLL and CPU Termination, you do more harm to the envoronment, as you'll be throwing away a CPU and buying a new one.

To get the best possible performance and virtually identical power saings, post a screenshot of the advanced voltages tab on easytune. As long as nothing is too heavily volted, setting these in the BIOS along with the FSB you desire is always better than using dynamic OC utilities. Also Linpack testing on its own isn't enough to verify stability. try an over night (preferably 12 hour +) run of Prime 95 on Large FFT or OCCT Large Data Set. I can be Linpack stable (50 runs) on known unstable settings. Unstable as in I can't even unzip a file without getting corruption errors.

The only hastle free OC I'd recommend is buying a pre-overclocked motherboard, CPU and RAM bundle. This way, someone has stability tested the whole package for you and made sure that it's stable on the minimum amount of voltage all round.

**Edit: GFlops shown in IBT are a measure of CPU speed. Unlike your engine analogy, where as you say, 9000 RPM is pointless at 50 MPH, IBT is similar to super PI in that the faster the CPU the more GFlops is indicated, as the data set completes faster.

[Chike]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

**Edit: GFlops shown in IBT are a measure of CPU speed. Unlike your engine analogy, where as you say, 9000 RPM is pointless at 50 MPH, IBT is similar to super PI in that the faster the CPU the more GFlops is indicated, as the data set completes faster.

My RPM analogy was to CPU frequency not GFlops. And that's the point exatly.
If your CPU does more GFflops or runs SuperPI in less time than mine, then it is indeed faster, at least for that job, if it just show clock speed greater then mine it means it has a greater clock speed not that it is faster.

[Psycho101]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

I see what you mean now. Yes, you can have someone with a higher CPU speed be slower than you ofc. You could off set performance via a faster FSB and RAM timings/speed. After a certain ammount though, it's likely no tweaks and RAM FSB speeds can compensate for an increase in CPU speed.

If RPM of an engine as you put it, represents CPU speed, then the effectiveness/speed of the system over all could be like engine torque. A really fast reving engine may have nice straight line speed and acceleration, but may struggle going up hill or towing something, where as better torque would eliminate this.

[Phisherman]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

If RPM of an engine as you put it, represents CPU speed, then the effectiveness/speed of the system over all could be like engine torque. A really fast reving engine may have nice straight line speed and acceleration, but may struggle going up hill or towing something, where as better torque would eliminate this.

I agree completley, and feel this is often overlooked in the auto and electronics industries. I need to increase my knowledge immensley since my last Motherboard was a Abit P-35E. I noticed a great deal has changed in the BIOS's and would love some help tuning things.

CIA2 isn't such a great tool IMO. Sure it alters how much your CPU is overclocked by depending on load, but the power saving is nothing like as much as EIST (Speed Step) And C1E give.

However, I have EIST and C1E enabled. And I figure overclocking only when needed is the best option. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I still have much to learn about CPU Vcore, PLL and CPU Term. And I would greatly appreciate any insights in this or any other matter.

I will post voltages soon as I'm on my laptop at the moment.

Thanks Psycho101!

note: Prime95 blend stable for around 4 hours, will try Prime95 suggested settings tonight.

[Chike]

Re: Easy Tune 6 CIA2, thoughts and help appreciated! Esp. LSD!

I also noticed your ram is running much faster than mine which is probably affecting performance.

Again we need to define faster.
Your memory is clocked at 533MHz while mine is clocked at 400GHz, who is faster?
Note: I am using memory clock frequency, not DDR rate.

I am assuming you were reffering to my memory timings. It is true they do seem lower than yours, but what do they realy mean?
The timings set the number of clock cycles it takes to certain operation of the memory to complete. To see how long they take we need to convert them to time, just the opposit from what the BIOS does (I'll get to that later)
Lets take tRAS as the example.
Your mamory tRAS is 15 at 533MHz that mean is takes 15/533,000,000 = 0.000,000,02814 = 28.14ns to complete.
My memory tRAS is 12 at 400MHz, 12/400,000,000 = 0.000,000,03 = 30ns.
Again, who's memory is faster? Plus you get double my bandwidth (in theory, with this architerture you get just more)

If you would look at your memory SPD EPP profile , if you have it, with SPDTool, you will probably see the same values or close to mine as shown in the image below. The BIOS read the time values from the SPD profile and convert them to the cycles needed for the selected memory frequency, when left on auto.


The bottom line is, your hardwar is better than mine and would out prform it at the same FSB frequecy, let alone when properly overclocked, if CIA2 doesn't, than it does not overclock better than humanly possible.