Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

[MattR.]

Hi There,
I have a new Gigabyte GA-EP45C-UD3R Motherboard. And am Running a Pentium 4 HT 3.73 GHz Extreme Edition Processor with Patriot PC3-16000 (2000 MHz) Memory 4 GB (2x2GB).
I can get it to overclock to 4.2 GHz, but it isn't stable when I use Video or T.V. Tuner? It Shuts Down all the time! Mainly when I shut the application down, or when I try and do something else at the same time as watching T.V. or Video? Like browsing the Internet, Typing letter, Etc.!!!
Oh, I am using an ATI All-In-Wonder HD Graphics Card. It is the newest card they make in the All-In-Wonder line. It has a built in T.V. Tuner.

I have been messing with BIOS settings, with not much luck. I have the timming of the R.A.M. set to 9-9-9-24. And 2.0 Volts. This is what I have read about the timming of this particular R.A.M. That is what is recommended.
Also, I have the Advanced Timing Control set to 3-4-6-56-2. And then the Channel A Static tRead Value to 7 and the Channel B Static tRead Value to 7. With the rest of these settings set to Auto.

As for the rest of the settings I haven't messed with them other than setting the CPU Voltage to 1.4 Volts.

Can Anyone Please Help Me Get This To Run More Stable At 4.2GHz!!!

I can't understand why the benchmark tests I run using Everest Home Edition Won't Come in First Place. Only 2 Times Has It Running At 4.2 GHz!!
I would lower the clock speed some, but if I run it at the Factory Setting of 3.73 GHz it doesn't even compete with the other computers on the bench mark tests? I don't understand this? I have the best of everything and it can't even compete with the lowest Pentium 4 Processors on the Bench Mark Test!!! Why?

I forgot to mention I am Using a WD Raptor 10,000 R.P.M. Hard Drive as my boot drive.

Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated!!! I would be willing to pay someone for some expertise in overclocking this Processor.

Thanks and Hope To Hear From Someone Soon!!!

MattR.
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[moshpit]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

First off, your using a Core 2 optimized platform for a Pentium 4. P45 is backwards compatible with P4, sure. But it's so unoptimized that it's unsurprising that it performs worse then the same CPU on an optimized platform. Secondly, you'd get WAY better performance out of a nice and cheap Core 2 chip on that platform, easily smoking the P4 with MUCH lower clock speeds. Lastly, overclocking the P4 3.73Ghz chip is an exercise in futility. The performance difference between 3.73 and 4.2Ghz will be so minimal that you're starting to see why Intel didn't even bother going over 3.8Ghz on that architecture.

Your willingness to pay somebody to get that CPU overclocked should be refocused on just getting a decent Core 2 chip to run on that mobo. You'll have far less headaches to deal with.

[randomness]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

U can pay for someone to OC it by 300 mhz until it evaporates due to heat and power output!

[Psycho101]

most cases (at 3.6GHz) faster than an E8600.

[MattR.]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

Thanks,
You guys are probably right about focussing on getting a new Core 2 Processor of some type.
But, I just wanted to try and get as much use out of this old Pentium 4 as I could. And I wanted to see what kind of speeds I could get out of it when using new motherboard, memory, etc.!
Because most applications are not written to take advantage of multi-core processors anyway. So, I would think that having a single core such as my 3.73 Ghz EE overclocked to 4.2 Ghz would run most single applications faster than most any multi-core processors. As long as the application isn't taking advantage of the mutiple cores? Right?

MattR.

[Psycho101]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

Nope, even on purely single threaded aplications a Core 2 with a core disabled, at 2.5GHz would beat a 4.2GHz P4 to a bloody pulp.

For example, SuperPI is a single threaded application that calculates the mathematical constant PI to a specified number of decimal places. A P4 at 4GHz will likely complete PI to 1 million decimal places in 37-40 seconds depending a little on RAM timings and speed. A 2.5GHz Core 2 will complete the same task in around 25 seconds.

Intel's Core architecture is just much more efficient, MHz for MHz than the old Netburst architecture. Netburst is 9 years old, it was introduced in 2000 with the introduction of the Willamette core, and was well overdue for replacement.


Many applications are actually multithreaded. Windows itself is multithreaded, and is capable of spreading load over both/all four cores, to a certain extent. Even the most crudely optimised programs that are designed for multi cores benefit from them to a noticable extent. An example of a poor implementation of multi threading would be a game using one CPU for physics, ai, feeding info to the GPU and another core processing sould information. Hardly true multi threading, but it all still works faster than on a single CPU.

Overclocking your processor would be a fun little project. You could always see how far you can push it, bench it and see what you get. However if you're pinning your hopes on being able to overclock it and use it as your 24/7 machine, you'll be disappointed.

Save it if you like, it might be valuable in 50 years time, if it still works, but other than that, save up a few shiny dollar-pounds for a cheap C2D, I got a sweet deal on an E7400 on eBay, I'm sure you could do similar.

[MattR.]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

Hi Again,
Thanks, For all the info! I think I will buy a new CPU. But I think if I am going to get one I think I will look at getting a Quad-Core. What do you think would be the best one for the money in your opinion?
I was looking at the Core 2 Extreme QX9770 or QX9650, but the price is outragous!
Also, is the P45 chipset good for running/overclocking Quad-Core CPU's? I guess my question is: Is this a good motherboard in your opinion for running/overclocking quad-core's? Or would I be better off running a Dual-Core with this board?

Thanks Again and Take Care,

MattR.
[email protected]

[Psycho101]

[moshpit]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

You made a good point that was CLOSE to accurate. In fact, for the price of a QX9770, you can get a Core i7 920, a Gigabyte X58-UD3R, 6Gb DDR3 1333mhz, Geforce GTX275 or Radeon HD4890. Literally a whole PC, CPU, mobo, vid card, hard drives, power supply, everything. And the whole PC will be faster then the PC you build around the QX9770 overall.

Core i7 920 - 220 dollars at Microcenter
Gigabyte EX58-UD3R - 189.00 Newegg
6Gb OCZ DDR3 1333 - 89.00 Newegg
Geforce GTX275/Radeon HD4890 - 240.00 Newegg
Corsair 750TX PSU - 120.00 Newegg
WD Caviar Black 750Gb - 120.00 Newegg
DVDRW 20x - 50.00 Newegg
good ATX mid-tower - 100.00
Total= barely breaks over $1100.00


Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 - 1400.00 ZipZoomFly

And, just to add insult to injury to the poor QX9770, if you take the above list of parts, but the full budget for just the chip on the QX9770, you have 300 dollars left to spend on a badass monitor, or a decent monitor, keyboard and mouse combo, or if you have all the periphrels you need already, then 300 dollars buys a KILLER water cooling setup to overclock that i7 920 to 4Ghz with. If you manage to get one of the newer D0 stepping 920's, that plus water cooling should mean 4.2Ghz is an easy target with comfortable temps and voltages.

[Psycho101]

[moshpit]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

It's almost my exact setup except I indeed did have to take a few more shortcuts much like you said. A HD4870 instead of a 4890, 650TX instead of the 750TX, that kind of thing. But, my total was ALOT less then the above since I was able to reuse alot of stuff. I already had 4 750Gb drives, the 4870 was actually purchased as an upgrade for my Q6600 rig's 8800GTS that ended up in this rig instead. The tower case it's all in is 6 years old and has had more generations of hardware come and go through it then is easily countable. This case isn't even made anymore, but it's still holding it's own just fine. Tt Lanfire, ancient by PC terms, but still kicking to this day with all original fans still working and all EL and LED lights working. Already had a monitor, mouse and keyboard. OS's arn't even a question of an issue.

All told, I only had to really buy the CPU, mobo, ram, and power supply for this build I'm on now. So with around 600 bucks, I'm whooping any stock QX9770 :p

[MattR.]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

Hi Again,
I just had one last thing to add to this posting. That is if anyone is even looking at it anymore.
I just wanted to state that I found a Core 2 Quad Q9650 for $200.00! But I have not been able to find any good reviews about overclocking this processor?
Do you think this is a good candidate for overclocking and replacing my old P-4 EE? Also, does the 1333 Mhz FSB really make that big of a difference as compared to the 1600 Mhz FSB of the Core 2 Extreme QX9770? Because that is the only difference I can see between the 2 processors, is the different Front Side Bus speeds.
Do you really think that there would be that much of a difference between the Q9650 and the QX9770, as in terms of overall performance?
And also, do you think it is possible to achieve 4.00 Ghz? Not that that is necessary, but just curious.

Thanks and Please Reply Once More about this subject!

MattR.

[Psycho101]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

The two differences are the default FSB speed and the multiplier. The eXtreme processor has an upwardly unlocked multi, ie you can raise it as high as you want, overclocking without raising the FSB.

The Q9650 will most likely clock just as far. It's going to be an E0 quad core, meaning it's based on the same stepping as the E0 E8xxx CPUs that are getting to 4.3GHz on air, and 4.5-4.7GHz on water. There are threads on the first 2 pages of this forum with Q9550 E0's over 4GHz, so it's going to be even easier on a Q9650.

If you overclock the Q9650 you'll have to raise the FSB, but that's not a bad thing. You'll probably settle at a FSB between 450 and 475, for between 4050MHz and 4275MHz. The high (ish) FSB should be no problem for your DDR3, just requiring a multiplier adjustment. If it were DDR2, I'd recommend you grab some PC2-8500 modules, but DDR3 1600 on a 3.33 multi will be almost bang on.

[MattR.]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

Thanks For the Reply!
One other thing is, why don't most of the new Intel Processors have Hyperthreading Technology anymore?
And if they do which ones are they? I can't seem to find a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad that has that feature? Unless the i7's do?

Anyway, I just want to say thank you very much for all the replies! I have been learning a lot lately in regards to computers. And it's nice to find a sight that has some knowledgeable people to talk to and ask a few questions and get some opinions and facts!

Thanks to all and take care!

MattR.

[Psycho101]

Re: Trying To Overclock Pentium 4 HT 3.73 Extreme Edition!

None of the Core range of CPU's has it. Companies have a tendency to "drip feed" the public more and more powerful tech, so I guess Core architecture was a good enough performance increase to be able to omit HyperThreading. Core i7 does indeed implement it though. It has 4 physical cores, each capable of running 2 threads for a total of 8 "cores". To be honest, there aren't many programs out there capable of taking advantage of it. Hopefully software will evolve to the point where it scales better with cores/virtual cores. Until then though, you aren't missing out on all that much, unless you're heavily into VM, video/audio etc.