EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

[Avatar77]

Alright, I've posted about this before but still no luck.

I switched from OCZ to Mushkin RAM, which is supposedly so much more stable with Gigabyte boards, but I am still having the same problem: the system boots fine with 1x2gb installed. But when I have 2x2GB installed in banks 1+3, it will not POST, it will just beep numerous times and reboot, and the video never comes on- I can't even get into the BIOS.

I set the timings to match the sticker and upped the DRAM voltage to 2.100v. I even tried lsdmeasap's settings from this post. No luck.

Here are my specs:
Mobo - Gigabyte EP45-UD3P, BIOS F5
Memory - Mushkin PC2 8500 2x2GB kit, model # 996599
CPU - E8500 3.16 GHZ
Vid - eVGA 8800 GT
550w Coolermaster PSU
2x250 GB WD HDs, RAID 0
Vista 64 Home Premium.

Suggestions? This is driving me nuts!!
Thanks.

[godto]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

boot up with 1 ram ... go into setting .. set your trap to 333 .. and 2.0 divider ... that is 800 speed .... and reboot then put 2 ram in ... let the system boot up ... then reboot and adjust your ram speed ... but the trap is 333 ... i have same problem when run 400 trap ...

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

First of all, the link you gave it to a template that I asked a user for his settings with. There is no actual setting suggestions given in that thread, and that user has 800Mhz ram.

Did you test this ram yet? When you buy new ram you must always test each stick by itself in slot one to be sure you did not get a faulty stick or set. You should do this test with performance enhance on standard, main timings set, ram voltage set, and memory multiplier = to stock ram speed. If you get errors with both sticks on slot one, try the other slots to be sure if it is the ram that is bad or a onboard ram slot possibly

Here is what you should be looking to use for stock with your setup >>>>

[b][u]MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)[/u][/b]
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.5
CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.16


[b][u]Clock Chip Control [/u][/b]
[b][u]Standard Clock Control[/u][/b]
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
[B]PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100[/B]

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


[b][u]Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter][/u][/b]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 50-150


[b][u]DRAM Performance Control[/u][/b][u][/u]
[B]Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD][/B]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto] Or 333
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.20B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

[b]Standard Timing Control[/b]
CAS Latency Time........................5
tRCD .........................................5
tRP'...........................................5
tRAS..........................................15

Set all highest below then later you can lower testing as you go.  If you do not want to set all of this stuff, you need to at least set performance enhance above, trfc below, ram voltage, and MCH Voltages.  The rest you may leave on auto if you want if static Tread is not too low.  You may need to set it as well

[b][u]Advanced Timing Control[/u][/b]
tRRD...........................................3-5
tWTR..........................................3-6 (Set 12 first)
tWR............................................4-6 (Set 14 first)
tRFC...........................................52-68
tRTP...........................................3-6
Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

[u][b]Driving Strength Profiles[/b][/u][b][/b]
Driving Strength ............................1066-1200

[b]Channel A[/b]
Static tRead Value.........................:7-10 333 MCH (8/9-12 400 MCH)
 tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
 tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
 tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps

[b]Channel B[/b]
Static tRead Value.........................:7-10 333 MCH (8/9-12 400 MCH)
 tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
 tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
 tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps

[b][U]Motherboard Voltage Control[/U][/b][U][/U]
Voltage Type.………... Manual
[b]CPU[/b]
CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much

CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 

CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 

[b]MCH/ICH[/b]
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.15-1.23
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0-2.1
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

[b][U]Advanced Settings[/U][/b][U][/U]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

[b][U]Integrated Peripherals[/U][/b][U][/U]
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

[Avatar77]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

boot up with 1 ram ... go into setting .. set your trap to 333 .. and 2.0 divider ... that is 800 speed .... and reboot then put 2 ram in ... let the system boot up ... then reboot and adjust your ram speed ... but the trap is 333 ... i have same problem when run 400 trap ...

Godto - thank you, moving the multiplier down to 2.0 did the trick.

My question now is you say "the trap is 333" - are you suggesting that I can't raise it up above that from here on out?

[godto]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

you should able to ... i start out with 333 .. 2.4 .... but since then i OC .... had the same problem .. had to adjust mine to 400 .. 2.0 ..... i'm OC mine to 3.8 now .. on Q9550 ... i use 333 because it is your ram to start with 8500 ... and depend on your OC .. you just pick the one that closes to your ram ... or if you OC your ram then choose what ever stable

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Let us know if you need anymore help with things

[Avatar77]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Oh nuts - thought I had this solved but when I shutdown and tried to restart it later (no changes made), it wouldn't boot - same reboot loop! This is crazy.

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Sounds like voltage may not have been enough. I can't really say without knowing exactly what settings you were using....

So please post the full template with what you are trying that fails and I will see if I can get you going

[phxflyboy]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Same memory/mobo issues here. What info can I post so you can help me with this? Getting really frustrated and would REALLY appreciate your help.

phxflyboy

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Your full specs and fill in the above template with what you are trying to use and I will advise

[vulcan500rider]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

I'm running into the same sort of problem. Here is my setup:

e5200
Gigabyte P35C-DS3R (Rev 1.1) BIOS F11
Mushkin HP PC6400 2x2GB RAM (996587)
7900GS
Antec 450W PSU
Samsung DVD-RW
Seagate 80GB SATA HD

The system boots fine with 1 2GB Dimm, but boots and reboots 3 times (never reaching POST) with 2 Dimms in, before booting and just sitting there; all system fans EXCEPT the CPU fan run, and there is no display.

I have tried both dimms individually, and both passed an 8hr session of memtest with no errors. Here are the settings I've got:


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 12
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.5
CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.5ghz


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 200Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.33B (should be 4.0, but I dropped to test)
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 667 (again, s/b 800, but doesn't work that way either)
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................5
tRCD .........................................5
tRP'...........................................5
tRAS..........................................15
(I have also tried 5-5-5-18, as the auto settings want, and the 5-4-4-12 as
Muskin specifies; both work with ONE dimm, but not with both in the board)

ALL AUTO SETTINGS:
ACT to ACT: 3
Rank Write to Read: 3
Write to Precharge: 6
Refresh to ACT 52
Read to Precharge: 3
Static Tread: 3
Statice Phase Adjustment: 0

System voltage: Manual
DD2 Overvolt: +0.2
PCI-E Overvolt: Normal
FSB Overvolt: Normal
MCH Overvolt: +0.1v (have also tried +0.2)
CPU Voltage Control: Normal


On the advice of a Mushkin Rep, I have also tried:
C.I.A.2: Disabled

Performance Enhance: Standard

DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD): Manual

CAS Latency Time: 5

DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4

DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4

Precharge delay (tRAS): 12



*Below use highest numbers first, then optimising towards lower ones, once stable*

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 4(3-4)

Rank write to READ Delay: 6(4-6)

Write to Precharge Delay: 6(4-6)

Read to Precharge: 6(4-6)

Refresh to ACT Delay: 60(55-60)

Static tRead Value: 9(5-7 should also be possible)

Static tRead Phase Adjust - Auto

Command Rate (CMD): 2T

DDR2 Overvoltage Control: +0.2

MCH Overvoltage Control: +0.15



FROM PC HEALTH SETTINGS:
vcore: 1.204v
DDR2/3 Voltage: 2.112v
3.3v: 3.317
12v: 12.365


Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB</pre>
Sorry for the windowing weirdness...Hopefully you can read everything, and will respond. Thanks!

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

K, you should try these, these will of course be loose to get your going.

I think your multiplier choice may be the issue because with a 800 FSB you need to be choosing C or 200/800 strap on your ram multi or at least one from that set with no letter or symbol on it (Those would be 2.66, 3.33, or 4.0 With letter C on them or The + Symbol) If you do decide to overclock then after 266/1066 FSB you can use the A multi (Symbol is ~ for that strap) B strap or 333 (Symbol #) is likely too loose and fast for the FSB you are using.

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 12
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.5
CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.5ghz


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 200Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00C or 4.00+ or 4.00 with no letter/symbol
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................5
tRCD .........................................4
tRP'...........................................4
tRAS..........................................12

Manually set these below for now as I see one for sure that is holding you back, aside from the above memory strap selection issue (I can give you better ones later, but the ones Greg gave you are for sure also correct.


ACT to ACT: 3
Rank Write to Read: 4
Write to Precharge: 6
Refresh to ACT 62
Read to Precharge: 5
Static Tread: 3 << Here is likely your issue this is way to low. Set to 7-8 for now
Statice Phase Adjustment: 0 << Set to Auto always

Here would be optimal ranges for the above settings >>>

ACT to ACT: 3-4
Rank Write to Read: 3-6
Write to Precharge: 4-6
Refresh to ACT (46-50) 52-62
Read to Precharge: 3-6
Static Tread: 5/6-7-8
Statice Phase Adjustment: 0 << Set to Auto always

System voltage: Manual
DD2 Overvolt: +0.2 << Set to 2.1 for now, so +0.3 (See what it is in the PC Health section after you save and reboot. It may need more or less actually. 2.0-2.1 would be best

MCH Overvoltage: +0.1v (have also tried +0.2) << I suggest +0.2-.3 So try .25 and then .3

[vulcan500rider]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Thank you very much for getting back to me!

I tried what you suggested, but there appears to be little difference.

I'm a little confused about what you mean with the multiplier, however. On my list, the only two choices with any sort of symbol are 4.0+ and 4.0~ Neither of them work. I tried both, as well as 3.33 and 3.0, with all the other timings you suggested, and the MCH bumped up +0.3v.

I've also noticed that upon a successful reboot (with only one stick, obviously) the numbers on the left hand side remain at whatever their auto settings would be, despite the fact that my new figures are on the right in square brackets. Like this:

ACT to ACT: 3 [3]
Rank Write to Read: 3 [4]
Write to Precharge: 6 [6]
Refresh to ACT: 52 [62]
Read to Precharge: 3 [5]
Static Tread: 3 [3]
Statice Phase Adjustment: 0 [auto]

Does this mean that the BIOS may not be APPLYING the settings? All the numbers on the left are greyed out, but I'm unsure if they always remain at whatever the system detects as optimal for the RAM, or if they are the settings currently being used.

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Did you try 4.00 with no symbol? You can ignore the left values in the BIOS, they are not even Auto values only what the board has used at one time or another for Auto. What you are setting is being applied as long as you have less then 3 reboots when you save your settings.

Static Tread of 3 is NOT going to work at all, use 7-10 for now

[vulcan500rider]

Re: EP45-UD3P won't boot with 2x2GB installed - UGH!

Whoops; typing error. I have static Tread set to 8 right now.

I don't actually have a straight 4.0 setting. I have 4.0+ (strap to 800) and 4.0~ (strap to 1066). Strangely, if I set it to 4.0+, I can't even boot with one stick (three reboots, back to stock), though if I set to 4.0~, it will boot. However, neither setting allows me to boot with two memory dimms.