This all look compatible to you guys?

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

What's the difference between

Klevv Genuine 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Memory Model KM3G8GX4Y-2666-12-13-13-35-0 - Newegg.com

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820101041

...... from what I can see, the prices are the only difference I can see. When I look at all the details - everything looks the same. Course the spreaders look different but that can't be the reason for the huge price gap.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

This is what I'm looking at right now.

I bought that EVGA Classified X97 locally here so ..... in addition to that;

Intel Core i7-4790K
Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Refresh Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor BX80646I74790K - Newegg.com - Newegg.com

CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB)
CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model CMD16GX3M2A2400C10 - Newegg.com

CORSAIR RMx RM1000X
CORSAIR RMx RM1000X 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply - Newegg.com

SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3-D
Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache
Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832588491

Corsair Graphite Series 760T

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139055

Totals $1189.93

The 2 drives were combo deal

These are all the essentials. This list doesn't include a monitor nor the costs of the Mobo - that costed me 190 brand new still in shrink.

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

The Corsair CMD16GX3M2A2400C10 memory kit is not listed as compatible with your EVGA motherboard and the EVGA compatibility list does not include this memory kit.
If you install a memory kit that is not on either list the memory will probably not be stable or your motherboard might not be able to boot.
Keep in mind that motherboard manufacturers are not able to spend the time to test all available memory kits.

The following list is from the Corsair Memory Finder for your motherboad:

• 2 x 4GB) DDR3 DRAM 1866MHz1866MHz18661866MHz1866MHz C9 Memory Kit (CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R)

The G.Skill Ram Configurator lists several compatible 2 x 8GB memory kits for your motherboard.
Check out near the bottom of their very long list for higher speed memory kits: G.SKILL - RAM Configurator

The CORSAIR RMx RM1000X power supply has excellent reviews from several of the best psu review sites.
Earlier RM power supplies were not highly rated but it looks like the upgraded RM1000X models are are very good.

The link you provide is for Klevv Genuine 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 and sells for $647.99.
The Klevv Genuine 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 sells for $323.99.
The link to the Klevv Urbane 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 memory is $479.99.
Why the price difference? I have no idea.
I've never heard of Klevv memory.

I have several old Gigabyte motherboards but Gigabyte would not be near the top of my list if I were building a new system.

The latest 2011-v3 motherboards look like they're nice but I think that for most gamers a higher end Haswell or Skylake system offers excellent performance at a more reasonable price.

From what I've seen the EVGA Classified motherboards are excellent.
I like the fact that if needed, you can call EVGA tech support using a toll-free 800 number and that their command of the English language is excellent.

You should buy a higher end, $100+ all in one cpu water cooling kit for your overclocked cpu.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

Man I'm having a hell of a time finding (listed as compatible) RAM that is not 'out of stock' and that isn't the slower variety (1600). It's the last thing keeping me from clicking 'check out'

Will I notice much of a performance difference in the 1600 and the 2666?

What if the RAM is slower but I use less of it.... 16GB vs 32GB? Another way to ask is "if I have more RAM, should it be faster?"

All the RAM I would like to buy and is compatible is 'out of stock' at the egg

....<continues to search>.......

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

A larger amount of memory will be faster if/when your lower amount of memory requires the use of the windows page pool (pagefile.sys), even if the page pool is on an ssd. It appears that 2400MHz memory is the sweet spot between price and performance. 2133MHz would probably be OK, but lower speed memory would probably have a negative impact on performance. Keep in mind that all memory can be overclocked, but when you start at a lower base speed you're final overclocked speed will be lower.

With a system as strong as your new one will be I think that 1600MHz or 1866MHz overall performance will be noticeably lower and that 8GB of memory will borderline when running demanding applications such as high-end image editing, music or video encoding, and possibly in some games.

A web search using: haswell default memory speed provides several useful links on the first page.
Another searche that might help: haswell gaming memory recommended amount OR speed

The maximum amount of memory for your EVGA Classified motherboard is 32GB.
If I were building a system like yours I would start with 2 x 8GB but I'd prefer to use 4 x 8GB sooner rather than later.

One approach that might work best is to start with 2 x 4GB of the least expensive name brand memory and hope that you can buy your desired memory size and speed shortly after Christmas when there might be some even better sale prices. The only problem with this approach is that when you later sell the 2 x 4GB memory kit, it will probably only be compatible with some other Haswell systems, but it might be a great buy for an HTPC Haswell system.

Loyalty to a trusted vendor is commendable, but if I were in your shoes and I found the memory that I wanted at a good price from a different dependable vendor I would buy it from the other vendor. Over the past nine years I've probably bought 97% (or more) of my computer stuff from Newegg.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with some ideas. I'm going to check out those searches and report back. Thanks! bbs

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

By the way, after a great deal of compromise one of the better kits I've found...... that I can tick most checkmarks ... was this one

G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Desktop Memory Model F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD - Newegg.com

I know choosing 4x4 is going to lock out the upgrade options ...... and that x4 4 generally isn't as good as x2 8 - memory controller issues.

I still haven't clicked submit yet though. And RAM is why. bbs

One last thing. I've noticed the RAM compatibility charts differ from ..... say EVGA to Corsair to Gskill. One will say their stuff works with EVGA but EVGA doesn't say their stuff works with theirs. As long as SOMEONE says it works will I be ok? Or would you adhere to the EVGA chart first and foremost

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

Yes as long as a memory kit is listed in one of the compatibility lists you are good to go.
I consider both memory compatibility lists to be 100% valid.
I really, really doubt that the best selling memory brands would be as successful as they are if their memory compatibility lists were not accurate.

The memory manufacturer has a hidden reason to be honest about their lists because they don't want to deal with RMA's and dissatisfied customers. The same applies to the motherboard manufacturers as they don't want customers complaining that they lied about the compatibility lists. The memory manufacturers have a big incentive to provide a list that includes as many kits as possible; they want to sell as much memory as possible. The motherboard manufacturers don't have the time or the resources to provide a comprehensive memory list; all they need to do is provide a "marginally good enough" list.

Did you see that you can optionally remove the top spreader fins?

Buying a 4 x 4GB kit doesn't lock you out of a future memory upgrade, it just means that you will need to sell your 4 x 4GB after you've bought a 2 x 8GB or 4 x 8GB kit.

I'm sure that EVGA's motherboard sales volume is pitifully small compared to ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte and MSI. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that on a percentage basis, the average EVGA motherboard buyer is more tech savvy than the average big 4 motherboard buyers.

I'm not convinced that anyone can make a blanket statement that 4 x 4GB is better or worse than a 2 x 2GB setup for all Intel generations of processors and/or chipsets. I would tend to believe a site like AnandTech, but they've made a few overclocking statements over the years that really pissed off quite few "knowledgeable" readers.

It's you decision, you can wait a bit or you can bite the bullet and buy a kit, after all, it's only your time and money.

An unimportant side note, the F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD kit is also compatible with a few ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte Z77 motherboard models and also some Z87 models.
And the included memory cooling fan is pretty cool (pun intended).
BTW, I hope you have fond memories in the future about your memory buying decision.
OK, I'm done with being a punny guy.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

I decided to go with the 2x8 of 'nearly' the same model RAM you posted. It's 2666. I'm more of a fan of the Dominator heat spreaders than the Trident. (no pun intended) GSkill had it listed as supported for the X97Classy.

G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Desktop Memory Model F3-2666C12D-16GTXD - Newegg.com

Yes I did see you can slide off the red fins at the top at the costs of some cooling. Not sure if I'll do that or not. I might even like how they look -installed. I think they come with the fan too so they might not even be visible.

I also changed the case from what I posted. I decided to go with the Corsair 750D.

Corsair Obsidian 750D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

It's a little cheaper and not as flimsy.

I wonder if I'll miss having a ps/2 port. hmm

Only 40 in rebates. This time I'll actually redeem. I always seem to forget about those once I get the stuff lol. Anyhow, it's not like I was trying to cut costs at each crossroad. Granted I'm not looking to just throw money away - who is..... but the goal was to upgrade to a system that is at least going to last a few years.

Now the the base system is set, I'll look into a monitor and maybe even a different video card if necc. There are some really nice ones out there. Have you seen the predator yet?

Acer Predator X34 Curved IPS NVIDIA G-sync Gaming Monitor 21:9 WQHD Display with Built-in Overclocking 100Hz Refresh Rate Boost

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009869&cm_re=predator_x34-_-24-009-869-_-Product

Why must the good toys cost so dang much. Hopefully the prices continue to come down in time. Maybe if I wait till after Xmas......... I'm not that in touch with the market though. Obviously this predator isn't money well spent. I'm not saying I won't spring for it, ..... there's a 10% chance I'll be stupid and do it. I'd really like to go gsync for sure....... ultra wide looks so sweet........ and 1440 is a must (for me)

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

The F3-2666C12D-16GTXD 2 x 8GB memory is compatible with your Z97 Classified motherboard and I think that the 2 x 8GB setup is the best way to go.

The Acer Predator monitor had some quality control problems with the earliest batch but it looks like they are doing much better with more recent monitors. The Asus Rog Swift monitor also had quality control issues with their early monitors but I think that this is no longer a problem. Asus should be coming out with a similar monitor sometime early next year. With my 2560 x 1440 monitor the background "glow" is much lower when it is at least 32 inches from my eyes. With a 34 inch wide curved monitor I think that you will want the monitor a bit further away from your normal viewing position.

If you really want or need the best gaming monitor available right now, spending $1300 for a monitor is not stupid. Hopefully your single GTX 980 will let you use the highest in game quality settings when your cpu and video card are overclocked. If you bought two less expensive 2560 x 1400 g-sync monitors you would probably need to buy a second GTX 980 video card for an SLI setup.

For overclocking help your best bet is to check the EVGA forums and dedicated Z97 Classified threads.
A search using: evga z97 classified overclock thread provides useful links, including EVGA z97 Classified Club.

Good luck with your new build.

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

The F3-2666C12D-16GTXD 2 x 8GB memory is compatible with your Z97 Classified motherboard and I think that the 2 x 8GB setup is the best way to go.

The Acer Predator monitor had some quality control problems with the earliest batch but it looks like they are doing much better with more recent monitors. The Asus Rog Swift monitor also had quality control issues with their early monitors but I think that this is no longer a problem. Asus should be coming out with a similar monitor sometime early next year. With my 2560 x 1440 monitor the background "glow" is much lower when it is at least 32 inches from my eyes. With a 34 inch wide curved monitor I think that you will want the monitor a bit further away from your normal viewing position.

If you really want or need the best gaming monitor available right now, spending $1300 for a monitor is not stupid. Hopefully your single GTX 980 will let you use the highest in game quality settings when your cpu and video card are overclocked. If you bought two less expensive 2560 x 1400 g-sync monitors you would probably need to buy a second GTX 980 video card for an SLI setup.

For overclocking help your best bet is to check the EVGA forums and dedicated Z97 Classified threads.
A search using: evga z97 classified overclock thread provides useful links, including EVGA z97 Classified Club.

Good luck with your new build.

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Hey Jim

What is the marvell SW Raid Sata III/6G Ports for? I understand a certain tier of Marvell sata is 'lesser' than the Intel sata. Can you enlighten me as to why this is included on this mobo?

Thanks!

PS saw a little bit here - but not much
EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review - Overclockers

Should I connect my HD or my SSD to the Marvell port? Or is that for RAID or something

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

Take a look at the z97 block diagram and you'll see that the z97 chipset supports six native Intel sata/e-sata 6Gb/s ports.
Motherboard manufacturers often want their boards to support eight or more sata ports so they often use onboard Marvel controllers to provide the additional sata ports.
From the review that you linked to:

Marvell 88E9182 controller.

I think that 88E9128 is a typo and that the correct model name is 88SE9182.
Do a web search using: marvell sata controller problems but keep in mind many of the links will refer to older Marvell controllers.

I only connect optical drives to non-Intel sata ports.
It's possible that newer Marvel controllers might be more stable but I'm pretty sure that the native Intel sata ports still offer better stability and performance.

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

From EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review | Integrated Device Testing:

EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review

ATTO Disk Benchmark

***edit***

From the first page in the PCPER review:
Storage I/O

8 x Serial ATA 600MB/sec (8 Internal) with support for RAID 0 and RAID1
6 / Z97 PCH
2 / Marvell 9220

***edit-2***
I'm going to quit while I'm behind....
From the Z97 Classified motherboard user manual, dated April 2014:

SATA Ports

Intel Z97 PCH Controller
6x SATA 3/6G (600 MB/s) data transfer rate
- Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 0+1, RAID 5, AND RAID 10
- Supports hot plug
2x SATA3/6G Marvell 88E9182

[profJim]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

The Asmedia sata controller also has inferior performance.

From: ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 Motherboard Review | Integrated Device Testing

cpu: Intel Core i7-5960X
motherboard: ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 ($539.99)
memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 modules (2133MHz, 15-17-17-35-1T, 1.225V)

ATTO Disk BenchmarkHowever,
performance suffered quite a bit when the SATA drive was directly connected
to the ASMedia controlled SATA-Express ports. In the case of the ASMedia SATA
ports, drive performance fell below that of the USB 3.0 / 3.1 ports. The M.2 drive
was the overall performance king, again as expected, with its performance pushing the
device's rated limits. With the USB port tests, the devices performed within expections
(sic) on the USB 3.0 ports with the USB 3.1 performance results matching or exceeding
those of the USB 3.0 ports. The drive read performance on the USB 3.1 port was lower
than expected, but can be attributed to oddities with the enclosure rather than port-
related issues.

note: My preference is to use Anvil's Storage Utilities benchmark, but the ATTO benchmark is still useful.
If you use a raid 0 setup for your O/S drive, the ATTO score should be right around the 1,000 MB/s mark for reads and writes.

[dizzolve]

Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

WOW that M.2 on the Asus is burning the road up.

Thanks for the Marvell data

The M.2 doesn't look too great on the Classy does it. How would you use the m.2? How would you recommend I use it? Is it just thrown on there or is it something that can be put to good use?

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I got the computer put together. I should take a pic for ya. It all come up on the first try. Just playing around I went and bumped my CPU to see if it'd OC at all and it didn't like when I jumped from 40 to 48. But I'd already enabled RAM xmp profile ...... so I went back and manually throttled the RAM sticks back to like.. 1600 maybe. 1633 ..... Retried to at 48 and she booted. So I opened up Fallout 4 and it failed.

With some tweaking it feels like I can probably get 4.8.(maybe even more) But I really haven't started that whole process yet. All of what I described above took like 5m.

At one point after I pushed the cpu to 4.8 the mobo wouldn't boot up. I had to use the little 3 way switch on the mobo to change bios. And it booted up with stock settings. Pretty cool

This is my first SSD and I really love the OS on it. Fallout 4 is on it too. With stock PC settings, Fallout 4 runs on ultra with no issues. Of course I'm not pushing it having such a crappy monitor. Maybe with a 1440 monitor, things start tougher for it. I'm really looking forward to enjoying a new monitor. I've decided the investment I already put into the chassis just isn't worth it unless I pair it with a suitable monitor. It'll cost - but it's really the 'pay off' to all of this isn't it?

I'm very happy with the system so far - but for it to really pop - I'm gonna need a 1440 monitor or better.

I'm cooling with air - my old cpu heatsink. It's the coolermaster evo - simple but solid. I recently saw the silver arrow cpu cooler and really dig it. I'd probably use one fan in the center to show off all the chrome. (unless of course performance demands the 2nd fan.) Also recently saw that predator AIO cooler which I REALLY love - except the price is like 250. It's a nice one though.

BRB - gonna see if I can get a pic