Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

K, try these

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 7x (max)
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.[not in bios]
CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.97GHz (425x7)


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 425Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100 (done)

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 100 (user set) << Set Zero
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 200 (user set) << Set Zero


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: (not in my bios)
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D << Did you try 2.00B or 2.40B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) .......800.......: 850
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................5
tRCD .........................................5
tRP'...........................................5
tRAS..........................................18

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD.....................................3......3
tWTR.....................................3.....3-4
tWR......................................6......4-6
tRFC.....................................52......5 2-62
tRTP......................................3.....3-5
Command Rate (CMD) .................0...: Auto << 2

Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ............................I had configured this before but presently not configured << Set to your ram speed or one above normally works better

Channel A
Static tRead Value...................7......:Auto << Set this to 9 for now manually
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...............0....:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.................0..:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ...............0..:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.................0.:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................6...:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................6..:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)................5...:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)...............8...:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

Channel B [SAME AS CHANNEL A]
Static tRead Value.........................:Auto << Set this to 9 for now manually
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
CPU Vcore….………................1.2875.........: 1.3 << More, try 1.34-1.425

CPU Termination…..... 1.200V.......: 1.3 << Try 1.28-1.34

CPU PLL…………………....1.500V.......: NORMAL << Try 1.55-1.58

CPU Referen.…………....0.76V.......: Auto

CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: NOT IN BIOS

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.320 << To much, try 1.22-1.26
MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; .803
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: Auto
ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.570
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.200

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.040 << Set 2.1-2.2
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC (not in bios)

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled]

[kick]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Ive been running my q8400 at 3.92Ghz for 24 hrs or so with prime and OCCT.
I just dialed in my saved bios for q8200 at 3.43Ghz,but everything seems a lot cooler ,still it is wintertime.

[giganate]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

@lsdmeasap THANK YOU... I was running stable at 2.97 but it looks like my settings weren't optimal for it based on what you sent.

I tried the high ends of your settings with a 7x450 (3.15) with 2.40B (memory at 1080) overclock but it failed Prime95 immediately.

So I'm trying again with 2.00D for the memory. Nope. Fail.

Hmmmm.

Any idea which category would need to be pumped up in order to get a better cpu result? I set the Driver Profiles to 1066 too.

@Kick, I found some of your old settings but not sure if they're your 3.43 settings... whatever I used let me boot the computer (no kernel panics) but I couldn't get very far in Prime95... but it's encouraging to know that faster speeds are possible... it just seems weird that I have such extreme/fast failures... you would think that I could squeeze more out of this.

(btw OS memory says it's running at 667 even though I have set the bios to the 1066 profile)

Interesting...the high-end values don't work for regular 7x425 (2.97)... fasscinating... OK... I'm going to make some more conservative moves and see what happens.... but apparently I'm now controlling too much!

The problem must lie in the memory timings, no? That's where the bulk of the configuring is happening.... it's all memory timings and then voltages... so I've got too much power, if anything... so that leaves the memory... this memory looks like it's serious quality stuff, massive heat-spreaders, and you would think it could do anything below 1066 without a problem... but it struggles once it's running above 850... I mean, again, I really don't know what I'm doing or what's to blame but I can see that so much of the art of this must be in the memory timings.

Well, thanks again! Onward!

[R_Hollandtekk]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

giganate, set these, reboot and run prime95. use easytune6 to bump up your fsb as high as you can before it crashes. <--once it does thats your maximum then reboot and set your fsb 15-20 lower than your highest max working fsb. let us know your maximum fsb/cpu/memory before running a long prime95 test. These settings will allow to find your maximum performance. I took a look and these should work.

Robust Graphics Booster ...............: [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: [ 7 ]
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: +0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 3220GHz (  460x7)

Clock Chip Control 
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [ENABLED] 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 460Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: 100

C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled] <---interesting. msi motherboard  from 2005 had a similar thing called "Dynamic Overclocking Technology" D.O.T. Still have to check it out.

Advanced Clock Control 
CPU Clock Drive........................: 800mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 900mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps

DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [DISABLED]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [Auto]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D[Auto]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 920 [Auto]
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [MANUAL]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time............................: 5 
tRCD........................................: 5 
tRP.........................................: 5 
tRAS........................................: 15 

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: 4 
tWTR...................................: 4 
tWR....................................: 8 
tRFC..................................: 72
tRTP...................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2 

Channel A
Driving Strength Profile...............: [1066]

Static tRead Value.....................: 10
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]

Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: 8 
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: 9 


Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Auto]

Channel B
Driving Strength Profile...............: [1066]

Static tRead Value.....................: 10
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [Auto]

Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: 8 
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: 9 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Auto]


Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Voltage Types------------ Normal -------- Current -----

Load Line Calibration....................: [Disabled]
CPU Vcore...............1.25000V.........: 1.36250v 
CPU Termination.........1.200V...........: 1.2600v
CPU PLL................1.500V............: 1.5700v
CPU Reference...........0.760V...........: 0.798 <--- i set to 0.760 then increased cpu termination

MCH/ICH
MCH Core................1.100V............: 1.280v 
MCH Reference...........0.760V............: 0.798 <--- i set to 0.760 then increased cpu termination
MCH/DRAM Reference......0.900V............: 0.960v
ICH I/O.................1.500V............: 1.500v
ICH Core................1.100V............: 1.100v

DRAM
DRAM Voltage............1.800V.........: 1.920v
DRAM Termination........0.900V.........: 0.960v
Channel A Reference.....0.900V.........: 0.960v
Channel B Reference.....0.900V.........: 0.960v

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect................: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support.....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support...................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ..............: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function........................: [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]

Integrated Peripherals
USB 1.0 Controller.........................: [Enabled]
USB 2.0 Controller.........................: [Enabled]
USB Keyboard Function......................: [Enabled]
USB Mouse Function.........................: [Enabled]
USB Storage Function.......................: [Enabled]

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Let us know how you get along testing with the above.

Ya, I only advised based on your 425 settings. If you want 450 advice let me know

[giganate]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Thanks folks...thanks LSD, since it sounds like my setup can go considerably faster than 7x425 (based on Kick and Holland) I'm shooting for anything in the 7x450 to 7x475 range ... I'm assuming that 7x475 would be difficult for me since 7x450 is so elusive.

I will try R_Holland's settings for 7x460 above and I'll probably try pulling two sticks of memory in the next rounds too. Since nothing has worked so far, if you have time to send me some high-end settings lsdmeasap, that would be amazing!

Thanks everybody for having a look and encouraging the obsession ;)

[giganate]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

@RHoll, man your settings didn't work for me and nor did variations I did between LSD's ranges and your settings... first I got multiple beeps, then it wouldn't start up at all! Hahahah, not like these are aggressive settings. Computer was pissed at me though ;)

Onward!

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Give me your current 425 settings that work for you now, and I will advise back on 450

Multiple fast beeps mean tRD is set to low, if this is what you meant raise that and try again (Static tRead Value if you are unsure)

[giganate]

[R_Hollandtekk]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Static tRead Value...................7......:10 (better to have low or high?)

better to have tread(performance level) lower. some tread values are impossible to acheive based on fsb and memory speed. use everest to see bandwith changes when trying to change take a look at the memory latency too. nothing wrong with tread 14-16 except sucky bandwith latency

MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.28 << To much, try 1.22-1.26
1.30v is the max that i would consider safe. going above is up to you.
if the mch gets damaged = headache.random bsods. there is no temp sensor on this board

DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.2 (memory may be rated up to 2.3)
i would go 2.0v at 5-5-5-15. <---very safe. no higher. would use this for 4x2gb

ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.200
too high. can affect sata 0-6 ports. increases heat and can make it worse if you have a hot gfx card right next to the southbridge.

giganate, one problem with fb that i noticed and not with fd/fc/fda if i use 2.1v dram i cant boot with 1.30-1.36v mch. try lowering your ram voltage to 2.0v and try overclocking higher this time. if 8gb doesn't work try trd=12. you should also try setting all voltages and settings manually and not auto.

DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

@RHoll, man your settings didn't work for me and nor did variations I did between LSD's ranges and your settings... first I got multiple beeps, then it wouldn't start up at all! Hahahah, not like these are aggressive settings. Computer was pissed at me though ;)

problem holding you back is cooling or you didn't manually set all values as stated. in post #19 plz try again with some changes. fsb=420 tread=12 for channel a&b. plz set all values as stated in template --->Trd2rd,Twr2wr,Twr2rd,Trd2wr,tRRD,tWTR,tWR,tRFC,tR TP,CMD <----- its only kind of very important unless=fail


(tried 4 and failed)
(tried 52, 62, and 72 and failed)
(tried 5 and failed)
these shouldn't fail when a lower setting works. no really. makes no sense.

[will I be turning any of these back on when done?]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
yes, recommended. if you ever get a bsod while testing its either the OS or your settings are not stable. no need to test your stability with prime95/orthos/linx

[kick]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Just posting this again,these are the minimums ive been using on the board for a year now with the 8200.
Im using the exact same settings for the Q8400 except it gives 3.92Ghz.
Both work/Q8200 did work with 500mhz fsb stable,but Im of the opinion its the relationship of the memory to the motherboard that is governing settings around480-520.
Nb in the above actual fsb is 490x4 or 500x 4.

Even tho your board is ud3p ,id be reasonably confident that if you had the same memory as mine ,these settings would work for you.
Probably all the way down .
Below 480-470 you can drop voltages dramatically.
nb it took awhile to get static read down to 9 at 2000 actual fsb speed with 2:00D and 8 certainly wasnt happening.

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 7x(x8)
CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.43ghz(3.92ghz Q8400)


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 490 Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive.........................: <<< 800mV
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps).....................: <<< 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps).....................: <<< 0ps


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [TURBO]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2:00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 980
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time..............................5
tRCD ...............................................5
tRP'.............................................. ...5
tRAS.............................................. .15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD.............................................. .3 [Auto]
tWTR.............................................. 3 [Auto]
tWR............................................... .6 [Auto]
tRFC.............................................. 54 [Auto]
tRTP.............................................. .3 [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) .......................0 [Auto]

Channel A Timing Settings
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:0 Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:0 Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................:0 Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment...................:0 Auto

Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:8 Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:8 Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:8 Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:9 Auto

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
DDR Write Training.........................:Auto

Channel A Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ................... Auto


Channel B
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:0 Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:0 Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..................:0 Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment...................:0 Auto

Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:8 Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:8 Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:8 Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:9 Auto

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
DDR Write Training.........................:Auto

Channel B Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ................... Auto

Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration.....................: Enabled
CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.3625v
CPU Termination….........................: 1.36v
CPU PLL………………….......................: 1.59v
CPU Referen.………….......................: 0.861v

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….........................: 1.38v
MCH Reference……........................: 0.861v
MCH/DRAM Ref…….........................: 1.03v
ICH I/O……...................................: 1.57v
ICH Core…….................................: 1.100v

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……..........................: 2.08V
DRAM Termination ……....................: 1.03V
Channel A Reference…....................: 0.900v [Auto]
Channel B Reference…....................: 0.900v [Auto]

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology................: n/a on Q8200(enabled on Q8400)

nb turbo for memory tightens up the secondary timings,if your memory works with it on its more convenient than tweaking settings individually.
The temperatures in my sig below were for the Q8200 mid summer,Q8400 seems relatively cooler tho.

Bandwidth ends up around 9.5-10.5 Gb/s depending on what measurements are used ,and I think that is around the limit for the 45 chipset.At stock settings bandwidth its 7+Gb/s, memory timings are tighter of course.
I dont know if say 1300mhz memory can exceed that ,but if it cant and its the chipset bandwidth is the limiting factor,the only performance increase at max fsb will be from cpu speed.
Q8400 is running 15% faster than Q8200 but actual performance gain isnt that in testing,more like 7-10% but im happy enough.

[giganate]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

I so appreciate your advice and help....I had to ramp down my efforts and I used the logic of everyone's settings to find safer, happier values for now. This computer has to be put to work for a couple months so I can't tweak it further but now that I have a better understanding of how all this works, I can get have it happy and I can apply the concepts to my Q6600 at home!

thank you thank you thank you!

Your thoughts make a lot of sense of how I should be approaching this... like what should work if I already have some of it working... it's coming clear.

Thank you.

[nocdavis]

Re: Another Q8200, EP45-UD3P Overclock in need of Expert Eyes

Gigante - check out my thread again (Help Overclock Q8200)

I finally got 3.4GHz stable with 8GB of 1066 (PC8500) RAM.

If you want me to post my settings let me know.