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**Lsdmeasap** · 09-07-2009, 04:51 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Please see the link in my signature for review on Ballistix, not the DDR3 one of course.

Those settings should work fine for you, your issue lies in the fact that you are not setting your ram multiplier yourself, so you are getting 960Mhz instead of 800

MCH Core voltage, Ram voltage, and likely Vtt will have to be set all manually. I posted settings for 400 FSB With this ram in my review. That should help you right along, if you still get stuck let me know and I can post you some settings but they will be the same as I list in the review though as they are stable and proper for 400 FSB.

You are just leaving to many things to auto, and not setting other things you need to per your ram

Standard Performance Enhance is suggested until you get stable, it Will work just fine once you set everything

**Chike** · 09-07-2009, 04:53 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

This is interesting, bus frequency is set to 400 but with multiplier on auto memory is set to DDR-960?
Could you post a screen capture of MemSet main and spd(click spd) windows?
MemSet can be found in the programs sticky at the top of the forum.

**Lsdmeasap** · 09-07-2009, 04:55 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

It's just because auto Memory multi is choosing 2.40B, not sure why though? But looks to me as that is what it going on

**Chike** · 09-07-2009, 06:00 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Originally posted by Lsdmeasap View Post

It's just because auto Memory multi is choosing 2.40B, not sure why though? But looks to me as that is what it going on

Oh right, BIOS always set multiplier for memory spec at default CPU bus frequency.
My math isn't so good in the morning ;-/

**sharpbiohazard** · 09-07-2009, 01:04 PM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Here you go-

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**Chike** · 09-07-2009, 01:32 PM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

This a bit confusing, because in the template everything is set on auto but the values in MemSet seem to match the SPD profile for DDR-800(400MHz)
You can see you have 2 EPP profiles, one for DDR-800 and the other for DDR-1000.
The 4-4-4-12 timings are only guaranteed for DDR-800 by the manufacturer not just any frequency. The BIOS attempts do adjust them to the actual selected frequency, turbo also may alter them so there no way to tell what exactly is going on unless Performance Enhance is set to standard.
For your current FSB I'd recommend selecting XMP profile2 and Performance Enhance standard.
If you choose to use 2.00D multiplier select XMP profile1, and for 2.066D profile2 (slight overclock, auto timings will be adjusted up 5-6-6-16)

If you are settle on the FSB you can alter tham manually, starting with the values from one of the EPP profile that match your chosen ram rate and tweak them if you are into that kind of thing.

**sharpbiohazard** · 09-07-2009, 03:51 PM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Ok I got it working at the 444-12 2v with 400mhz. I have not set any other timings yet though from your review LSD.

So what is better- the mobo default settings with the slower timings but higher clock but lower volts?

Or the specs- lower clocks but better timings but higher volts?

Some of my gaming seems to be a little, little bit jittery now with the 444-12 2v 400mhz settings.

**Chike** · 09-07-2009, 04:39 PM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Please post your current settings (don't leave empty entries, MCH for example is crutial for stability) and replace the comments with actual settings.
The jitter may suggest instability and that some tweaking is needed.

Originally posted by sharpbiohazard

So what is better- the mobo default settings with the slower timings but higher clock but lower volts?

Or the specs- lower clocks but better timings but higher volts?

This realy up to you, better timings give better performance though not always noticeable. You didn't pay the extra to run at speed/timings you could get for half price did you?

I myself fine with XMP profile and auto settings. The only memory related settings I set manually is tRD (Static tRead Value) which BIOS guess is far from the optimal and have rather major effect on performance.
Other have other oppinions.

**sharpbiohazard** · 09-07-2009, 07:13 PM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

I apologize for my hastiness

Brackets mean I did not touch that setting.

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MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster : [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ...........: 9x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio......:[.0]
CPU Frequency ............: 3.6Ghz 400x9


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.........: [Enabled] 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ...: 400 Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) : Auto

C.I.A.2 ......................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive..........: <<< [800]
PCI Express Clock Drive: <<< [900]
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...: <<< [0ps]
MCH Clock Skew (ps).. : <<< [0ps]


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..............: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.): Profile 1
(G)MCH Frequency Latch......... : 400Mhz
System Memory Multiplier .........: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) .........: 800
DRAM Timing Selectable ...........: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time[4]
tRCD .................[4]
tRP'...................[4]
tRAS..................[12]

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD..................[3]
tWTR.................[3]
tWR...................[6]
tRFC..................[52]
tRTP..................[3]
Command Rate (CMD) :[0]

Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength .......[Auto]

Channel A
Static tRead Value................:[Auto]
 tRD Phase0 Adjustment.........:[Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..........:[Auto]
 tRD Phase2 Adjustment .........:[Auto]
 tRD Phase3 Adjustment..........:[Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).............:[Auto] 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)............:[Auto] 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)............ :[Auto]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)...........:[Auto] 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control........:[Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control....... :[Auto]

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................:[Auto]
 tRD Phase0 Adjustment............:[Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.............:[Auto]
 tRD Phase2 Adjustment ............:[Auto]
 tRD Phase3 Adjustment.............:[Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank)...............:[Auto] 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)..............:[Auto] 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...............:[Auto] 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..............:[Auto] 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...........:[Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...........:[Auto]

Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................:[Auto]
CPU Termination….........................:[Auto]
CPU PLL………………….......................:[Auto]
CPU Referen.………….......................:[Auto]
CPU Reference2……….....................:[Auto]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….........................:[Auto]
MCH Reference….…….....................:[Auto]
MCH/DRAM Ref.…..........................:[Auto]
ICH I/O………………..........................:[Auto]
ICH Core…………...…….....................:[Auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage …….........................:2.0v
DRAM Termination .….....................:[Auto]
Channel A Reference .....................:[Auto]
Channel B Reference .....................:[Auto]

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Enabled
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: Enabled
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............Enabled

**Lsdmeasap** · 09-08-2009, 02:08 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

You should make the following change at least

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster : [Auto] Or Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ...........: 9x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio......:[.0]
CPU Frequency ............: 3.6Ghz 400x9

Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.........: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ...: 400 Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) : Auto <<<< Set 100

C.I.A.2 ......................................:[Disabled]

Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive..........: <<< [800]
PCI Express Clock Drive: <<< [900]
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...: <<< [0ps]
MCH Clock Skew (ps).. : <<< [0ps]

DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..............: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.): Profile 1 << Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch......... : 400Mhz << Auto
System Memory Multiplier .........: 2.00D <<< Leave, can also try 2.00B later on, that would allow you to use lower static tRead value
Memory Frequency (Mhz) .........: 800
DRAM Timing Selectable ...........: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time[4]
tRCD .................[4]
tRP'...................[4]
tRAS..................[12]

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD..................[3]
tWTR.................[3]
tWR...................[6]
tRFC..................[52]
tRTP..................[3]
Command Rate (CMD) :[0] << Set 2

Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength .......[Auto] << Set 1066

Channel A
Static tRead Value................:[Auto] << Set 8-9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.........:[Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..........:[Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .........:[Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..........:[Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).............:[Auto]
Twr2wr(Different Rank)............:[Auto]
Twr2rd(Different Rank)............ :[Auto]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)...........:[Auto]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control........:[Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control....... :[Auto]

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................:[Auto] << Set 8-9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment............:[Auto]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.............:[Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ............:[Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.............:[Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank)...............:[Auto]
Twr2wr(Different Rank)..............:[Auto]
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...............:[Auto]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..............:[Auto]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...........:[Auto]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...........:[Auto]

Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................:[Auto] << Set yourself, 400 FSB you cannot use Auto, you will need to find your own stable voltage for this. Maybe 1.25-1.35 should be good, but you may need more/less depending on your CPU
CPU Termination….........................:[Auto] << Same as above applies here, maybe 1.225-1.32

CPU PLL………………….......................:[Auto] << Set default amount or just above
CPU Referen.………….......................:[Auto]
CPU Reference2……….....................:[Auto]

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….........................:[Auto] << Set 1.20-1.24
MCH Reference….…….....................:[Auto]
MCH/DRAM Ref.…..........................:[Auto]
ICH I/O………………..........................:[Auto]
ICH Core…………...…….....................:[Auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage …….........................:2.0v
DRAM Termination .….....................:[Auto]
Channel A Reference .....................:[Auto]
Channel B Reference .....................:[Auto]

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Enabled << Disabled
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: Enabled <<< Disabled
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............Enabled

**sharpbiohazard** · 09-08-2009, 02:15 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

So I Have followed your guide LSD and I have a few questions-

There are 2 things I cannot match you on on memset-
tREF & Performance level

Peformance level is a 6 for you but 15 for me
tREF is 3117 for you but is 3120T for me

Also, I'm confused on the FSB setting- you either have 399 or 401, I'm currently set at 400.

The driving strength- why is it at 1066 instead of auto?

Last note- I cannot tell a difference between the two (default BIOS settings for the ram and the Specification settings) So which do you recommend? The 444-12 2v 400mhz or the 555-18 1.8v 480mhz? Which is better for the life of the ram etc.?

Sorry I'm a complete noob to RAM settings-last questions I promise.

**Chike** · 09-08-2009, 02:28 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Peformance level = Static tRead Value in BIOS, what have you set it for?

**sharpbiohazard** · 09-08-2009, 02:39 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

I just got back from my BIOS. I set both channels to 8, so now it is showing up as 8 in memset

Also I set my voltage to my Vcore to 1.2, but before with the auto setting it was showing 1.3. Is this ok? I guess since its running now...

**Chike** · 09-08-2009, 02:46 AM

Re: Incorrect Timings-Crucial Ballistix+EP45-UD3R

Originally posted by sharpbiohazard View Post

Last note- I cannot tell a difference between the two (default BIOS settings for the ram and the Specification settings) So which do you recommend? The 444-12 2v 400mhz or the 555-18 1.8v 480mhz? Which is better for the life of the ram etc.?

You must realise that timings are not fixed values they must be addjusted for different memory speeds, 5-5-5-18 @ 480MHz are the same as 4-4-4-12 @ 400 MHz (not exactly but BIOS rounds them up).
With the XMP profile and DRA< Voltage you had set to auto I doubt DRAM Voltage was set to 1.8v, it was probably set to 2.0v. What you see in BIOS as default is not always the value aoolied, check BIOS HW Monitor or EasyTune monitor tab.

Originally posted by sharpbiohazard

Sorry I'm a complete noob to RAM settings-last questions I promise.

There;s no questions limit, ask away.

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