Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

[RJames]

I have Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R (Rev 2.0) motherboard with the version F10 BIOS.

I recently decided to upgrade my DDR2 to 4GB of DDR3, purchasing 2x 2GB Crucial Ballistix modules which are 6-6-6-20 1.8v (BL2KIT25664TA1336).

I have tried as suggested by crucial, to set the timings manually to 6-6-6-20 for the DDR3, however this causes the system to crash instantly - the bios takes two attempts then resets the timings back to automatic and reboots. But I have noticed the Auto-detect timings are 9-9-9-24 (which is not what is stated on the modules), however the voltage appears to be set a 1.6v (read from the Bios) but I can't see any option to change this to 1.8v apart from overvolting by +0.2v which doesn't fix it.

I have tried running Memtest86+ with the DDR3 at 1.6v 9-9-9-24 and it just comes up with all errors. I checked my old DDR2 at auto-timings with Memtest and it seemed okay, so I guess this should imply the motherboard is okay.

Is there anything else I can try - or will this memory not work with my motherboard?

[RJames]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

Crucial have responded to say 'This does appear a settings or driver error with your BIOS and the reason the Memtest is constantly showing errors is down to the settings not being correct. It maybe best at this stage contacting your manufacturer to see if this a known issue and they will advise on the updates you require.'

Any ideas?

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

I would imagine it is all settings as well. Can you please post me your full specs and then give me the full exact settings you are using and I will advise back >>>

This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [Standard]

CAS Latency Time________________ 
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 
Read to Precharge Delay__________
Static tRead Value_______________
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

[RJames]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

PC SPECS:
Motherboard - Gigabyte - GA-P35C-DS3R Rev2.0 (BIOS ver F10)
CPU - Intel - E8400 at 3.0GHz (with AC Freezer Pro HSF)
Memory - Crucial - Ballistix DDR3 6-6-6-20 1.8v (BL2KIT25664TA1336)
Video - Gigabyte - Nvidia GTS 250 1GB GDDR3 (GV-N250ZL-1GI)
PSU - QTechnology - 400W (QT-03400G)
HDD 1 - Samsung - P80 160GB SATA (HD161HJ)
Optical - Lite-On - DVD-RW/CD-RW IDE (?-Model unknown)
OS - Microsoft - XP Pro SP3
_________________________________________________
BIOS SETTINGS:
Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [ 9 X]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________ N/A
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ 333
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [Auto]
Memory Frequency__________________ 1333
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Auto]

Performance Enhance = N/A

CAS Latency Time________________ 9
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 9
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 9
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 24

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 4 Auto
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 5 Auto
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 10 Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 74 Auto
Read to Precharge Delay__________ 5 Auto
Static tRead Value_______________ 8 Auto
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 10 Auto

CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control N/A
CPU Clock Skew Control N/A
GMCH Clock Skew Control N/A

System Voltage Control____ Auto
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ Normal
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control___ Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control Normal
CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal
Normal CPU Vcore__________ 1.15000V

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: N/A
x C4/C4E State Support..................: N/A
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

_________________________________________________

Thank you for any help you can give.

[RJames]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

I've just noticed these specs for the GA-P35C-DS3R 2.0 on the Gigabyte website:
_____________________________
DDR3:
1. 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 4 GB of system memory
2. Dual channel memory architecture
3. Support for DDR3 1333*/1066/800 MHz memory modules

DDR2:
1. 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets supporting up to 8 GB of system memory
2. Dual channel memory architecture
3. Support for DDR2 1066*/800/667 MHz memory modules
_____________________________

Does this mean only DDR3 of 1.5V and not 1.8V is supported?

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

Sorry for the late reply here, I have been very far behind as of late.

Hold on and try these setting changes and see how Memtest86+ goes for you, use slots 1+3

[code]Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [ 9 X]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________ N/A << Why the N/A? You should see this option, but be unable to use it (Greyed out) until you select 8 as your CPU Multi. If you do not see it then you need to load optimized defaults, set your ram voltage only and save/apply/reboot F10. Then go BACK to the BIOS and set your SATA/Disk settings again and then make any changes in the MIT section you need to. If you are using RAID please see here for tips on loading optimized with RAID >>

http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios-flashing-how-qflash-guide-27576/

CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ 333
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto] << 100
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [Auto] << Set 4.00B
Memory Frequency__________________ 1333
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Auto] << Manual

Performance Enhance = N/A << Issue (#2) Set to Standard, your BIOS DOES have this and you NEED to set it to standard please as it is on Turbo by default. It is right Below C.I.A.2 >>

This is BIOS F10, just checked



CAS Latency Time________________ 6
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 6
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______6
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 20

^^ 999-24 should be working for sure, so you have some voltage or setting issues such as Performance Enhance on Turbo and that combined with voltages not set as you have them, can cause any number of issues or errors. ^^^

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 4 Auto
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 5 Auto
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 10 Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 74 Auto << Set 78 Manually for now
Read to Precharge Delay__________ 5 Auto
Static tRead Value_______________ 8 Auto << Set 9 manually for now
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 10 Auto << Always Auto


System Voltage Control____ Auto << Auto
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ Normal << Here is your issue (#1) Set +0.3 for 1.8V
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control___ Normal << Set +0.1 for stability if you like
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control Normal << Issue (#3) Set +0.2-+0.3 for 2x2GB
CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal
Normal CPU Vcore__________ 1.15000V

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: N/A
x C4/C4E State Support..................: N/A
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC << Disable for now to rule out as a issue

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB << Disable for now to rule out as a issue, also disconnect any External USB Devices


About your voltage question, no all that means is the "Standard" DDR2/DDR3 is supported. DDR2 standard is 1.8V and DDR3 standard is 1.5V, Both have varying amounts above that as a "Norm" when it comes to enthusiast memory such as most DDR2 is 2.0-2.1 and most DDR3 for non X58 boards is 1.7-1.9+

I have not used any P35 boards that support DDR3, so I cannot say for sure this combination is fully compatible, but I have not heard or seen any reports of it not working together. I do think it is just the things I noted above that you have not set that are causing you issues

[RJames]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

Thank you Lsdmeasap for your detailed reponse.

I have set all your suggestions except:
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control________+0.3V (no range option)
System Memory Multiplier___________4.0~ 1333 straping (no 4.00B option only 4.0# or 4.0~)
(timings are set manually to 6-6-6-20, but it still auto-detects 9-9-9-24)

The Health Status, gives an output for the DDR Voltage as 1.712v - is this a bit low?

The system is much more stable now - no crashes on boot-up and I can even get into Windows! However Memtest86+ gives errors for tests #3 and #4 (moving inversions).

Is there anything further I can try?

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

For your ram use 4.00# (# is 333 strap, ~ is 266 strap) or use 4.00 without a letter/symbol if you have that as an option

Auto detect will always/often show wrong settings and not use them as well. You do mean in the left of the BIOS correct, if so ignore that. What you see in windows in CPU-z Memory tab is what matters

Your ram voltage may be ok, if your ram is stable at that. Some may be and some may not be and end up needed the full specified amount. If you need the full 1.8V then you will just have to set +0.35 or +0.4, and then of course check how much that is.

Post me your full settings you are using now and I will see if I can advise anything else that should help. Do go ahead and try more voltage as that ram may need the full 1.8V to run those tight timings so that could be the only issue

[RJames]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

I have tried System memory Multiplier on 4.0# and DDR Overvoltage on +0.3V and +0.4V, but I am still getting errors on Test #3 onwards on Memtest86+ v2.11.
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Full Specs as requested:

Robust Graphics Booster_________________Auto
CPU Clock Ratio_________________________9X
CPU Frequency___________________________3.00GHz (333x9)
CPU Host Clock Control__________________Disabled
CPU Host Frequency______________________333
PCI Express Frequency___________________100
CIA2____________________________________Disabled
Performance Enhance_____________________Standard
System Memory Multiplier________________4.0#
Memory Frequency________________________1333
DRAM Selectable_________________________Manual
******** Standard Timing Control ********
CAS Latency Time________________________6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay_________________6
DRAM RAS# Precharge_____________________6
Precharge delay(tRAS)___________________20
******** Advanced Timing Control ********
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_____(4)_________[Auto]
Rank Write to READ Delay____(5)_________[Auto]
Write to Precharge Delay____(10)________[Auto]
Refresh to ACT Delay________(74)________[78]
Read to Precharge Delay_____(5)_________[Auto]
Static tRead Value__________(8)_________[9]
Static tRead Phase Adjust___(18)________[Auto]
******** System Voltage Control ********
System Voltage Control__________________Manual
DDR2/DDR3 Overvoltage Control___________+0.4V (I have also tried +0.3V)
PCI-E Overvoltage Control_______________Normal
FSB Overvoltage Control_________________+0.1V
(G)MCH Overvoltage Control______________+0.3V
CPU Voltage Control_____________________Normal
Normal CPU Vcore________________________1.15000V

------------------------------------
CPU-Z OUTPUT:

________________________________
Thanks

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Crucial DDR3 on GA-P35C-DS3R

Have you tried only +0.2 MCH? Do you have 4.00 memory multi without a symbol/letter?

Can you try slots 2+4 instead of 1+3?

I would only be using 1.8V or less (+0.3) as that is the rated amount you should not need more likely. Is that giving you close to that amount or much less, you should check to see what each setting gives you in PC Health section after a reboot