Some help please

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Some help please

If you need the NB Cooler or not is up to you, does your board have the

How hot does your NB get? Can you touch it for more then 10 seconds under a full load? If not, you may want to at least redo the paste, then decide if you need a NB Cooler or not. It is very easy to install, just two bolts is all

What do you not get about MCH Ref? Did you read the page linked in my signature? You may be fine with it in Auto, but then again maybe not?

Did you mean to add a note or something to these? Looks like you forgot or something maybe? I thought that because you put the <<< 's but nothing after them, so just checking >>>

System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B <<<

tWR............................................ 10 <<<
tRFC........................................... 88 <<<


Channel A + B
Static tRead Value.........................: 10 <<<

Yeap Vtt changes the ref voltages, please do click on the link in my signature and read about that, here is the link from my sig >>>

http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/how-setup-cpu-mch-gtl-ref-voltages-vs-easytune-29746/

ICH I/O you only have 1.57, not 1.50-1.55? 1.55 is only suggested to improve stability from the 1.5 stock. You can use 1.57, but you should have 1.55 as well, maybe not? All boards are different

ICH Core, yeap not all boards have that

[killman]

Re: Some help please

Hi Lsd,

Ok, I get it about the NB cooler. I'll check that later..

About the MCH Ref, yes I read your article yesterday. Maybe it's because of my english. I'm not that good at it. I'll read it again.. you never know.

I posted <<< to let you see that I changed the values, but I can see that it isn't nessacery. Sorry for being messy the last post. I'll try to do things 'cleaner' next time!

About ICH I/O.. I got 1.50V and the next value is 1.57V, so not 1.55V. Then I will change it to 1.57V.

So thanks for now, I have to get to school.. BORING (overclocking is much more fun!!!)

You're great man! Thanks Lsd!!

Regards,

killman

EDIT: I changed ICH I/O to 1.57V, then saved all settings I have now.

[killman]

Re: Some help please

For now:

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
CPU Frequency ...........................: 446 (466x9 = 4.0GHz)


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 466Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100MHz

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: Auto
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: Auto
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................ 5
tRCD ......................................... 5
tRP'........................................... 5
tRAS.......................................... 15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD........................................... 5
tWTR.......................................... 5
tWR............................................ 10
tRFC........................................... 88
tRTP........................................... 5
Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2


Channel A
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto ps

Channel B
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

Motherboard Voltage Control
Voltage Type.………... Manual
CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.32500V < Changed

CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.24V
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.57V

CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: .0755V < Changed

CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: <<< Same

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.26V
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; 0.755V < Changed
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Same
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: 1.57V

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1V
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Same
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Same
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Same

I held my finger at the NB under full load. I could touch it with no problem.. . Ofcourse I felt some heat, but not much (yet).

Again Lsd, thank you for your hard work and interest helping me and other people!!

Regards,

killman

EDIT: Tried 8 with same settings, didn't boot. Should I try raising MCH core? and other settings??

Or first go for 2.40B SPD multi instead of 2.00B? would that work?

[killman]

Re: Some help please

Hi,

I've just tried a SPD of 2.40B, also tried a lower tRD value. With this I tried a Voltage of 1.36V max. on the MCH core..

Again.. wouldn't boot, are we at the end of overclocking for the memory..

If so I'll try change some advaced memory timings...

Regards,

killman

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Some help please

You may need to test out less MCH core, and more Vtt. Try some combinations of those with more/less and see if you can get tRD down to 8. If not yes, try more MCH Core, maybe 1.3-1.35, I think your other ram timings are not causing it to not work. It is either your ram amount, choice of model, or the other voltages.

You should also test all of this Vtt/MCH Core with MCH Ref in Auto to see if that helps as you really might not need to set it until you get your settings all finalized

You should be able to use 7-8 easy on the B Strap, but then again you may not be able to with 8GB?? Sorry I have not tested much with 8GB, this may be one thing that is limited by that amount?

[killman]

Re: Some help please

You may need to test out less MCH core, and more Vtt. Try some combinations of those with more/less and see if you can get tRD down to 8. If not yes, try more MCH Core, maybe 1.3-1.35, I think your other ram timings are not causing it to not work. It is either your ram amount, choice of model, or the other voltages.

You should also test all of this Vtt/MCH Core with MCH Ref in Auto to see if that helps as you really might not need to set it until you get your settings all finalized

You should be able to use 7-8 easy on the B Strap, but then again you may not be able to with 8GB?? Sorry I have not tested much with 8GB, this may be one thing that is limited by that amount?

Hi Lsd,

Thank you for your reply, time and hard work!

You helped me alot with overclocking!!

So second, I will try playing around a bit and see if I get a tRD of 7-8 working.
Again, thanks alot for now!

Regards,

killman

p.s. ofcourse I'll let you know if the settings worked... .

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Some help please

Anytime Killman, thanks for the kind words!!

Ya, keep us informed of how you get along with things and your testing/tweaking

[killman]

Re: Some help please

Hi Lsd, :)

Tried various voltage values on MCH and Vtt. Computer wouldn't boot at a 7-8 tRD value. It was great fun to try though!!

I don't mind.

The settings I got now (working and stable):

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
CPU Frequency ...........................: 446 (466x9 = 4.0GHz)


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 466Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100MHz

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: Auto
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: Auto
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................ 5
tRCD ......................................... 5
tRP'........................................... 5
tRAS.......................................... 15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD........................................... 3
tWTR.......................................... 3
tWR............................................ 3
tRFC........................................... 54
tRTP........................................... 3
Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2


Channel A
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto ps

Channel B
Static tRead Value.........................: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

Motherboard Voltage Control
Voltage Type.………... Manual
CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.32500V
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.200V
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.57V
CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto
CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: Auto

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.26V
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; Auto
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: Auto
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: 1.57V

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1V
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

Any suggestions for fine-tuning the whole thing?? :D

Again for now, thx a bunch!

Regards,

killman

[Nickel020]

Re: Some help please

tRD is really the only sub-timing worth tweaking I think, so if you hit the lowest value you can achieve there then I wouldn't bother trying to lower the others.
Voltages look good, I can't see a reason to not run this system 24/7 with those settings.
If you want to tweak more, I would go higher on the CPU, if you have a decent cooler that should be no problem.

[killman]

Re: Some help please

tweak more, I would go higher on the CPU, if you have a decent cooler that should be no problem.

Hi Nickel020,

I already tried that out. Wouldn't work with CPU and RAM 1:1. I think the problem there is the RAM amout (so the 8GB). If I'd go higher on the FSB 1:1 the computer wouldn't boot, but that isn't a problem because it's stable and very fast now. I also have Vtt on 1.2V and the references a bit lower then auto. I read the article of Lsd about the changes that made Vtt. I think I begin to understand that a bit more.

Again, thank you guys for helping me out! It was great to seek thing out, to try and 'reach' a certain value.

Regards from the Netherlands,

killman

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Some help please

Ya, some memory just will not do it, but I think yours should, but then again maybe the 8GB amount is why it wont.

Did you try this with all other timings loose (High)? If not you should, I see tWR to low right now (FOR SURE), that could be it but maybe not so I would set them all high before trying to lower tRD. Did you try with higher Vtt, maybe 1.28-1.32, this could help alot when it comes to tRD

Anyhow, nice to see you have a stable system and are happy!

Post back anytime if you start tweaking things more or need some more help or suggestions

[killman]

Re: Some help please

Hi Lsd,

I tried lowering the tRD value with the following settings:

tRRD...........................................4
tWTR.......................................... 8
tWR............................................ 10
tRFC........................................... 88
tRTP........................................... 8
Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

So, that are the values you suggested before.. I used them..

Yes also tried raiseing the CPU Vtt to 1.32V

Regards,

killman

p.s. If I need help I'm sure I'll return to this great forum!!!

[killman]

Re: Some help please

Hi all,

I'm back..

I've got this settings stable and running:

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
CPU Frequency ...........................: 456 (456x9 = 4.1GHz)


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 456Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100MHz

C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: Auto
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 912MHz
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................ 5
tRCD ......................................... 5
tRP'........................................... 5
tRAS.......................................... 15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD........................................... 3
tWTR.......................................... 3
tWR............................................ 3
tRFC........................................... 88
tRTP........................................... 3
Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2


Channel A
Static tRead Value.........................: 10
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: Auto

Channel B
Static tRead Value.........................: 10
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

Motherboard Voltage Control
Voltage Type.………... Manual
CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.32500V
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.200V
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.57V
CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: Auto
CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: Auto

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.26V
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; Auto
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: Auto
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: 1.57V

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.1V
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto

Regards,

killman

EDIT: fixed it
+ new/changed values