Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Help

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New system, Segate Sata 300 500 gig hd,4 gig Corsair CM2X 1024-6400C4 mem,GeForce 8600 GTS,GA-P35-DS3L board,Q9650 cpu,Antec 550 watt ps,Sata Lite-on DVDRW.

Old system HP computer, P4 630 cpu,onboard video,2 gig ram, 40 gig hd,IDE Lite-On DVDRW

Ok here goes, process a dvd with old system in 15:07 mins. Same DVD in new system 24:04 mins. I would think my new system should keep up with old one not be slower. Put the IDE burner in new system and did the DVD in 22:23 mins. Put the sata DVDRW in old system and did the process in 16:00 mins. Sata drive must be a little slower?. Some where I have a real bottleneck, Please help me with this one. On my new system everything is on default. Running the same XP pro for os. If you need more info I will get it for you.

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Help

What settings are you using for your P35 board with 4GB of ram, that could be the issue as SATA is not slower then IDE for sure

And what BIOS are you using now?

This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [Standard]

CAS Latency Time________________ ?
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ ?
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______?
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ ?

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ ?
Rank Write to READ Delay________ ?
Write to Precharge Delay_________ ?
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ ?
Read to Precharge Delay__________ ?
Static tRead Value_______________
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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Re: Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Help

Thanks Lsdmeasap for your help, I guess their is a lot more too building a good computer than putting parts in. This is the stuff I need too learn. I have four sticks of ram on the board,should I take one out. Cpu-Z says my ram is 1.8 volts, not sure how of if it should be 2.1 volts. Again Thank you for your time.




Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Fast]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5] Do not see this
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [Auto]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Auto]
Performance Enhance = [Standard]
CAS Latency Time________________ 4
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________3
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3
Write to Precharge Delay_________6
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 42
Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3
Static tRead Value_______________6
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV] Do not see
CPU Clock Skew Control [normal] Do not see
GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal] Do not see
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.2V]
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[? Not sure where should it be]

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One more thing , using F9A Bios

[Lsdmeasap]

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Please give me a link to your exact ram so I can best advise

And are both systems using the same XP with all updates and drivers?

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Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory


Old system XP-Pro with SP2
New System same XP-Pro with SP3

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Help

Hmm, well I would not imagine the SP3 would make it slower, are they both using the same Intel Chipset drivers and in the same SATA modes? Maybe you have a bad drive, or bad cable? Or a NON SATA II Cable maybe?

You do have native mode enabled in the SATA Settings right?

Here would be optimal settings for that ram at stock, Hey so you have two of those kits right? Just checking to be sure as the settings would need to be different then you posted

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Fast]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]

CPU Host Clock Control_ [enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.40]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [Standard]
CAS Latency Time________________ 4
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________3-4
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6
Write to Precharge Delay_________4-8
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 38-42 (52-62 for 4x1GB)
Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3-6
Static tRead Value_______________6 (7-10) << What is your other system using for this setting? *EDIT* Nevermind, a HP would not have any settings for the ram, silly me

Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto] << always Auto

System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.2V] << 2.0-2.1 (+0.2-0.3)
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] (For 4x1GB +0.2-0.3)
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[? Not sure where should it be] << This is in the Integrated Peripherals BIOS page, same as the SATA Controller page

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Re: Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Help

Thank You
Yes I have two kits installed, should I leave them both. What should my setting be with two kits, I will change all the setting to what you said and try again.

[Lsdmeasap]

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What I have above is for 4x1 as noted, yes use them both

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Changed all my setting,got closer but my 100 dollar HP is faster than this new machine. I was hoping for a little faster unit,just not sure whats going on. I can take the DVDRW out of the new machine and it faster in the HP unit. This does not make sence to me. Please look at my setting if you have time and see if I missed something. Tried it with two sticks of ram and no difference. I guess I will be able too multi-task more than the HP. When I got the Q9650 I was sure it would do Video encoding better. Would a different board make any big difference, this is such a good CPU that is being held back I think.

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Fast]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
CPU Host Clock Control_ [enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.40]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
Performance Enhance = [Standard]
CAS Latency Time________________ 4
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________3
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3
Write to Precharge Delay_________4
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 52
Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3
Static tRead Value_______________7
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto] << always Auto
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.3V]
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.3V]
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___Enabled__________________________________

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This is driving me nuts Mr.Lsdmeasap. I did encoding on a DVD in the HP and it took 4:54 to do. Took the same IDE drive out of HP and put it in new machine. Did the same encoding and it took 6:52 to do. Do you have any other ideas to try? I feel real bad by new machine is be out done by HP. Could it be something about my new Hard Drive? Their is no jumpers install and it shoule be reading as fast as it can. Is their a Benchmark program I can run too check my new system. If I ask too many question Please forgive me, just trying too learn. Thanks again for any new help you can give me

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Re: Major Bottleneck somewhere Please Read Lsdmeasap

Ok here is what I did, took the hard drive out of the HP and installed in new machine. Ran the encoding and it was faster than the HP now, so I have a Hard drive issure.The HP han a Maxtor 200GB Sata 150 drive and XP-Pro with service pack 2 in it. My new machine has a Segate Barracuda 500 GB drive with XP-Pro with SP3 in it. For some reason the Segate is reading and writing slower. There is no jumper to force 150 transfer so it should do 300. Could there be a setting in Bios holding me back. Any suggestions on this.

[Lsdmeasap]

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What do you have set in the integrated peripherals page, and where is the drives (CD and Hard) connected to the board?

That 500GB may be slower as it may have more platters, so you never know. If Hard drive is the only actual source of the speed comparisons then it cannot be considered a comparison as they are two very different drives.

To make a real comparison you would need to test one or both in each machine and compare the results of both drives in both machines (Long time and 4 installs later, sounds like a lot of time for nothing really). Smaller drives are often faster due to less platters and larger drives are more geared towards capacity