Asrock Z87 Boards: Will they support Devils Canyon like ASUS has announced ?

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ASUS has announced most of their Z87 boards will support the devils canyon chips 4690K and 4790K. Will Asrock do the same with their Z87 lineup ?

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Good question, I don't have an answer.

So far, as of 6/02/14, the only ASRock Z97 boards that have a UEFI update for Devils Canyon processors are the Z97 Extreme 6, Fatality Z97X Killer, and the Z97 Pro4. I don't see any ASRock Z87 boards with UEFI updates for Devils Canyon as of today.

I know that ASUS has posted UEFI/BIOS updates for some of their Z87 boards to support Devils Canyon (DC) processors, so apparently they are not only for Z97 boards. But I see that potentially turning out several ways:

Similar to the "non-Z OC" UEFI feature that all mother board manufactures had that allowed OCing on non-Z series chipset boards, and not allowed in the end by Intel, that may be the same fate for Z87 support for DC.

The above scenario would mean lack of DC support on Z87 boards is just a choice Intel made and is imposing upon users and mother board manufactures. That will lead to modded UEFI/BIOS files to allow DC usage.

Z87 boards will support DC processors, but will be limited in their OC potential in some manner compared to Z97 boards. The contacts on the bottom of DC processors is said to be improved, but what if the contacts in the 1150 socket on Z97 boards have been changed too.

Personally, I doubt I will get a DC processor, unless Intel has truly fixed the die and IHS interface for heat transfer. IMO that can only be done with solder, last seen on mainstream processors of the Sandy Bridge line. They were so good no one bought the HEDT processors, which were socket 1366 processors at that time. Intel learned a lesson, and crippled the mainstream processors (for OCing) by no longer using solder as the die/IHS interface. I doubt that TIM of any kind with the IHS glued to the processor could equal solder.

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Along with Asus, MSI are adding support for DC as well. So I highly doubt that the pins underneath have changed. Hopefully Asrock will follow suit.

Hexus review has a ES 4790K that is running 10C hotter than the 4770K , it is a ES , so that may be the problem. However, the 4770K ES were generally better than retail, so who knows how retail chips will be...

A word or two about temperatures: Intel says it is to use the same processor-in-box (PIB) cooler for this chip as for the 4770K. We used just such a heatsink during regular testing and found that, due to the extra power consumption generated by higher voltages, the Core i7-4790K ran hotter, at an average of 88C, compared to 78C for the older Haswell processor.

Review: Intel Core i7-4790K 'Devil's Canyon' (22nm Haswell) - CPU - HEXUS.net - Page 8

I guess this heat is due to the extra stock mhz of the 4790K.

My 4770K runs a nice OC and good temps (delided with CLP) so DC doesnt interest me, nevertheless it would be nice to see Asrock add support for DC.

I know Asrock use hybrid/analog PWM/VRM and Asus use mostly 100% digital, I wonder if that is a factor. However, MSI use mostly hybrid/analog and are able to provide DC support so PWM type probably not a limitation for DC support.

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From HARDOCP - Intel Devil's Canyon Core Processor Presentation - Intel Devil's Canyon Core Processor Presentation:

Intel's big move with the Devil's Canyon is a new NGPTIM (Next-Generation Polymer Thermal Interface Material). We are hearing good reports on this TIM and have seen all sorts of projected core temperatures, but we will have to test in-house before we are getting good target temperatures to report.

Will NGPTIM be a magical super sauce?
We will find out soon enough.

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Re: Asrock Z87 Boards: Will they support Devils Canyon like ASUS has announced ?

Just take a look directly to intel :

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Apparantly so , so Asrock just need to release an updated BIOS I guess.

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Looks like Devils Canyon official release date is June 25th:

Intel Announces Core i7 and Core i5 "Devil's Canyon" Quad-core Processors | techPowerUp

If Intel is finally admitting support for DC on Z87 boards, then it is official, that's great, nice find!!

Yeah, magical super sauce would be great, but given the post above about the DC temperature, it doesn't seem to be.

Why oh why can't they use solder!!!! We know why IMO, all the 5GHz Sandy Bridge i7-2600Ks and i5-2500Ks.

My Haswell i5-4670K, and other Haswell processors given what I've read, seem to have a transition point between ~4.3GHz and 4.4GHz where the CPU temperature takes off. Hopefully the higher stock clock rate of the DC's will push that point higher.

The other thing that helps is keeping the VCore down (big surprise, right??) which can be done with Adaptive voltage and negative offset voltage. I can stress test my i5-4670K at stock clocks for hours at just over 1 volt VID at ~50C max CPU temp (depending upon ambient temp) with a Corsair H80.

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Looks like Devils Canyon official release date is June 25th: Intel Announces Core i7 and Core i5 "Devil's Canyon" Quad-core Processors | techPowerUp If Intel is finally admitting support for DC on Z87 boards, then it is official, that's great, nice find!! Yeah, magical super sauce would be great, but given the post above about the DC temperature, it doesn't seem to be. Why oh why can't they use solder!!!! We know why IMO, all the 5GHz Sandy Bridge i7-2600Ks and i5-2500Ks. My Haswell i5-4670K, and other Haswell processors given what I've read, seem to have a transition point between ~4.3GHz and 4.4GHz where the CPU temperature takes off. Hopefully the higher stock clock rate of the DC's will push that point higher. The other thing that helps is keeping the VCore down (big surprise, right??) which can be done with Adaptive voltage and negative offset voltage. I can stress test my i5-4670K at stock clocks for hours at just over 1 volt VID at ~50C max CPU temp (depending upon ambient temp) with a Corsair H80.

I dont think any consumer was impressed with intel not using solder on haswell. On the other hand, it was good that it is possible to get solder-like performance (liquid pro) if you want to take the risk. Did you delid your cpu parsec ?

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Did I delid my i5-4670K? Nope.

I use that CPU in two ways, one with a 4.3GHz OC, which IMO is the point beyond which the CPU temperature becomes a problem. This is on a ASR Z87 EX 6 board. That CPU is the first one I've ever used that experienced thermal throttling while stress testing (cores reaching 100C), but that on a simple AIO liquid cooler at 4.5GHz. Of course that was before ASRock added negative offset voltage to the Adaptive voltage option, so I should be able to do better now. But I was drawn into the dark side...

The second way is by embracing the main advancement of Haswell, power saving. That is, using stock multipliers and Adaptive voltage with negative offsets, I can run it at 3.8GHz at just over one volt, with a 55C CPU temp with the same AIO cooler while stress testing. At idle with all CPU power saving options enabled down to and including C7, I see CPU package power usage of under 0.250W. My i7-2600K uses up to 40 times that much power at idle, an i5-3570K uses 28 times the Haswell power level.

In that second mode, the entire PC uses less than 60W of power unless stress testing, and then never more than 120W. That's with six fans, five drives, and IGP graphics of course. If I need CPU OC strength, I use the i7-2600K or i5-3570K PCs.

I can't find the files now (of course) but I could swear in Prime95 I was into the low 100 GFLOPs at 3.8GHz with the i5-4670K.

I wondered why Intel only listed the Fatality Z87 Professional as DC compatible, but not other ASRock boards that are simply better built. The answer seems to be the Fatality Z87 Professional board is the only ASRock board, and one of only a few boards from all manufactures that qualifies (or is potentially qualified) as being "IXTU Certified". That is, the board meets criteria based upon how well it interacts with the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility.

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I just found that Newegg has the i7-4790K for pre-order, at $340, in stock on 6/25: Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell 4.0GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor BX80646I74790K - Newegg.com

Microcenter also has pre-order of the i7-4790K, with stock by July 4th, at a better price...

Intel Core i7-4790K 3.6GHz LGA 1150 Boxed Processor - PREORDER PRESALE-301275 - Micro Center

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Did I delid my i5-4670K? Nope.

I use that CPU in two ways, one with a 4.3GHz OC, which IMO is the point beyond which the CPU temperature becomes a problem. This is on a ASR Z87 EX 6 board. That CPU is the first one I've ever used that experienced thermal throttling while stress testing (cores reaching 100C), but that on a simple AIO liquid cooler at 4.5GHz. Of course that was before ASRock added negative offset voltage to the Adaptive voltage option, so I should be able to do better now. But I was drawn into the dark side...

The second way is by embracing the main advancement of Haswell, power saving. That is, using stock multipliers and Adaptive voltage with negative offsets, I can run it at 3.8GHz at just over one volt, with a 55C CPU temp with the same AIO cooler while stress testing. At idle with all CPU power saving options enabled down to and including C7, I see CPU package power usage of under 0.250W. My i7-2600K uses up to 40 times that much power at idle, an i5-3570K uses 28 times the Haswell power level.

In that second mode, the entire PC uses less than 60W of power unless stress testing, and then never more than 120W. That's with six fans, five drives, and IGP graphics of course. If I need CPU OC strength, I use the i7-2600K or i5-3570K PCs.

I can't find the files now (of course) but I could swear in Prime95 I was into the low 100 GFLOPs at 3.8GHz with the i5-4670K.

I wondered why Intel only listed the Fatality Z87 Professional as DC compatible, but not other ASRock boards that are simply better built. The answer seems to be the Fatality Z87 Professional board is the only ASRock board, and one of only a few boards from all manufactures that qualifies (or is potentially qualified) as being "IXTU Certified". That is, the board meets criteria based upon how well it interacts with the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility.

Yep power consumption @ idle and load is really nice with haswell. The negative offest you use for stress testing is nice feature for Asrock boards, I noticed my board has that too, but since I dont use any AVX/AVX2 programs I dont need to use. I just use adaptive mode without offsets.

Not just the Fatal1ty Z87 Professional is DC compatible, Intel processor compatibility list has nearly all the Asrock Z87 compatible with 4690/4790K devils canyon>> MotherBoards by ChipSet Name

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That's great! Now if only ASRock would add DC processors to the board's compatibility lists. The last UEFI update for my Z87 Extreme 6 board was in 12/2013, unless the one before that that states it adds support for new Intel 4th generation processors includes DC.

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Yes, ASRock is day by day adding updated DC and G3258 BIOS' for their Intel 8 series chipset boards, and some 9 series boards too.

My poor Z87 Extreme 6 has yet to get one of these updates, although a beta BIOS added not to long ago allows you to OC a G3258, which would not work without it.

Yes I have a G3258, and I think it is great! If you don't need the power of four cores and four or eight threads, this processor is just fine. I can easily OC my sample to 4.0GHz, with a maximum VID of 1.12V, using Adaptive voltage. I can set the CPU Input voltage to 1.536V for this OC (yes, 1.536V), a higher voltage does nothing to help.

To get to 4.2GHz, I must jump to a VID of 1.20V, not bad but an indication of things to come with higher OCs.

Do you want to hear the strangest thing about the beta BIOS (2.34) for this board, that allows the G3258 to be OC? It displays the Turbo Boost option in the OC Tweaker screen, although this CPU does not support Turbo. The previous BIOS version would not display the Turbo option when a processor that does not support Turbo is used in the board, which makes sense.

I found the Turbo option must be available and set to enabled in order for any multiplier OC to actually work. With the standard BIOS I could change the multiplier to 40, but the processor would run at its standard max of 3.2GHz/32 multi.