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  • #16
    Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

    I have some catching up to do, and Prof. Jim, or my new nickname for him, PJ (really cute, huh, tee hee...) has picked up the ball I see, nice.

    HCR, OMGawd dude, I am not gawd, or Moses, when I say something it's not written in stone!

    Such as: "Parsec mentioned in his post that there should only be one pagefile." I said you only need one pagefile, I don't know what would happen if you had two or more frankly, nor do I care. I'm nitpicking here, but I just don't want someone to get incorrect information.

    Really the best way to learn things is to do it yourself and see what happens. "Windows will explode if I do..." usually not, and it is fairly idiot proofed at this point, right PJ? For example, for a test, don't remove the pagefile on your C drive before creating it on the RAM Disk. No harm done if you have two (maybe adultery?) afterwards, and then just remove the one on C. See, then you can tell us how that works! Finally, I've run my PC with NO pagefile at all, and had no problems. Some programs must have one apparently, but I never had a problem.

    The true correct size for your RAM Disk is, 3113 Bytes, because... I said so. Well, sca-rew me! Make it whatever size you want to, within reason. PJ is right (occasionally) about using 1/2 of your RAM for the RAM disk is a bit much, at least for a start. Just because you allocate 1GB for the pagefile, for example, does not mean it will all be used. If it gets "full", old stuff is pushed out for new, no problem. If you discover that your favorite applications work so much better using the RAM Disk for... whatever, then make it larger if you need to. If you don't leave enough memory for Windows, etc, you'll know it when things don't work.

    Professor James, Really, that long to save the RAM Disk image? I'm surprised, must be some processing going on. I have never backed mine up, I should try that and see. That is likely why Firefox kept crashing on me when I used the RAM Disk for its cache. FFox still writes to the C drive when using a RAM Disk for its cache, just much less, but the two must be dependent.

    Regarding your RAM Disk benchmark, I thought it would be faster. Given your 8500 (1066?) speed memory, and I believe the one I posted was either 16000 (2000) or 17000 (2133), your result should have been at least half of what mine were, not less. I have a feeling the free version is slowed down a bit, to inspire one to buy it.

    The version of FF I have is official, not a Beta, never use those! They have more updates than MS does for Windows, for some reason.
    Last edited by parsec; 11-02-2012, 12:59 AM.

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    • #17
      Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

      A couple of forum members have referred to me as PJ for quite a while. I think that they have a pajamas (jammys) fixation.
      I've run my system for a short while with no pagefile on the system and windows just creates a temporary pagefile.
      I'm currently running with two pagefiles, one on my boot drive and one on my ram disk drive with no problems.

      DataRamDisk saves and loads a proprietary disk image when you choose to save and load the ram disk's contents.
      With a 2GB ram disk, booting takes 15 seconds longer and it takes 4 minutes to create the ram disk image file when shutting down.
      When I reduced the ram disk to 1GB, it took 2 minutes to create the image file and shut down.
      I don't mind the longer booting time, but the shutdown time is unacceptable.

      I'm now using a 1GB ram disk with a pagefile (256MB - 512MB), have a TEMP folder and my FireFox cache Folder.
      I have an additional pagefile (400MB total) on my ssd boot drive.
      Windows will protest if the pagefile is less than 400MB.
      When shutting down, I first copy my FireFox cache folder to my hard drive and I'm no longer using the ram disk load and save options.
      I'm going to try a test where I don't "save" the cache folder and see what happens when I start FireFox without an existing cache folder.
      FireFox with 50+ tabs loads somewhat faster when the cache folder isn't empty.

      I was surprised with the relatively low ram disk benchmark scores but I'm ignoring it, seeing as how it is still many times faster than my ssd. My memory timings are 876MHz @4-4-4-10 and I doubt that running at 1066MHz with 5-5-5-15 timings would make any difference in how quickly the ram disk image could be saved or loaded.
      Parsec hasn't been a forum member long enough to know that I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong and to compromise and do it my way.
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      • #18
        Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

        Prof. Jim, I'm learning, always learning...

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        • #19
          Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

          Me too!!
          we get too soon old and too late smart
          Last edited by profJim; 11-02-2012, 08:51 PM.
          Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
          P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
          4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
          MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
          Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
          WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
          Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
          SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
          Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
          Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
          Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
          MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
          Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
          win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
          HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
          CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
          E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
          Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
          Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
          HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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          • #20
            Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

            Hey, ProfJim, just a tip as to speeding up your shut-down times with the RAM-Disk... If you CLEAR your entire RAM-Disk on a fresh boot, then open the browser, go to each of your most-commonly-visited sites and load, at the very least, their homepages, you can then save ONLY THAT ONE TIME on shut-down, move the directory (I can't remember where, though :S), and then reboot (it will save the most commonly visited cache you just did), and then set it to "load on boot" but DO NOT set it to "save on shut-down".

            This way you get the cached speed benefits of your most-commonly-used sites, you'll still have a ton of space to cache whatever random browsing you do in-between boots, but no more 4-minute shut-downs! You're boots should get quicker as well, as the RAM-disk only should have to load between 50-500MB of total data!

            Hope that helps!
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            • #21
              Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

              With a nearly empty 2 GB ram disk, it takes 4 minutes for DataRamDisk to save an image of the ram disk.
              It takes 2 minutes for DataRamDisk to save an image of an empty 1GB ram disk.
              I'm pretty sure that their software won't let me separate the load and save functions, it's both or it's none.
              I uninstalled the software after the ram disk didn't appear after one boot.
              Too much grief for too little performance.
              Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
              P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
              4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
              MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
              Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
              WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
              Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
              SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
              Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
              Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
              Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
              MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
              Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
              win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
              HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
              CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
              E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
              Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
              Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
              HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
              win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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