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    Hi Everyone,

    First off, we would like to thank everyone for your feedback on all our previous prototypes especially the PC-A51 which we just announced revisions to.


    On to our very special new project. Since desks and PCs have always had a symbiotic relationship, we decided it would only make sense to combine the two in our new desk chassis prototype: DK01.
    Constructed mostly out of aluminum, our newest prototype is unlike anything we have designed before, yet includes many of our familiar high-end features, including a brushed aluminum finish, modular HDD bays, tool-less mounting, and a minimalistic design.


    The LEDs, glass cover and monitor mount are planned to be included.


    Check out the pics and specs below and let us know what you like and dislike, as well as reasonable changes you would make, so that we can provide the best desk chassis possible. We invite your comments.




    DK01 with single monitor mount

    DK01 with double monitor mount

    Open drawer

    Front I/O with lock









    HDD bays supporting 3.5" and 2.5" drives

    Bay for slim optical drives



    Support for CPU Coolers up to 180mm

    Specs

  • #2
    Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

    Will there be any easily removable fan filters?
    Is there a way to allow 140 or 200mm fans to be used?
    Increase the depth at the back to allow additional fans for air intake or exhaust.
    Allow sound deadening material to be installed.
    Offer an optional kit to allow the DK01 to be installed in an existing desktop surface similar to how a sink is installed in an existing counter top.

    I'll be happy to be a beta tester for the DK01.
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    • #3
      Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

      Additional thoughts:
      • Will tempered safety glass be used?
      • The front I/O panel location might be a problem at work or at home.
        A better location might be a vertical box on top of the glass surface at the back of the table.
      Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
      P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
      4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
      MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
      Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
      WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
      Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
      SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
      Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
      Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
      Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
      MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
      Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
      win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
      HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
      CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
      E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
      Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
      Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
      HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
      win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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      • #4
        Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

        This makes a solid gaming station but I think the term Desk might be a bit overstating.

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        • #5
          Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

          Very interesting!

          You could certainly lose the red legs for starters. Brushed aluminum or stainless steel would add a lot of class to the styling. At least match the legs to the silver finish of the dual-monitor mount.

          With that many hard-disk bays, I think they'll need some fans blowing lengthwise along them to stay cool. That would mean the slide-out panel that faces the user (in these pics) would require a series of fans across it, which would prove quite unattractive. I'd suggest tasking an engineer to create a slide-out 10-disk HDD bay on the right- or left-side edge of the desk instead. Moving it as such would probably require quite a bit of re-wiring, or even a custom-engineered SATA/NAS terminal and power connection.

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          • #6
            Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

            I think this is a fantastic idea, and I strongly agree with profJim's suggestion to make this mountable on an existing desk or table. I really want a computer case integrated with a desk, but I don't want the only option to be a 30-inch red kiddie desk that's barely wide enough for a keyboard and mouse. I would like to get a wooden table in the size, color, style I choose (from IKEA, for example) and mount this case underneath. The glass window view to the interior is not nearly as important as saving space and clutter.

            -14 HDD/SSD bays seems like total overkill. Anyone with a 10+ HDD's is probably going to want them in a server closet, not on their lap.
            -The interior-facing ODD is very, very kludgey. With so much room to work with, there are about 10 better ways to do it.

            If you start with the idea of a case that will be mounted under a desk, it could be thinner, wider and vent through the bottom - more like an HTPC case that is 4 inches high and 30 inches wide. A 240mm radiator could be mounted horizontally, parallel to the desktop, drawing air up into the case next to the motherboard. A PCIE riser could do the same for the GPU.

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            • #7
              Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

              The number of available drive bays is not excessive when you consider that the DK01 will accommodate motherboard sizes from FlexATX up to EATX sizes. The length of long video cards or a very long, high wattage power supply will make many of the drive bays unavailable for some users. I assume that the Lian Li engineers will be doing some serious thermal and air flow testing as the design evolves.

              I have additional concerns that deal with the cooling fan airflow restrictions at each end of the case.

              Maybe the kiddy leg setup could be an optional DK01-KIDDY model and the standard product would be DIY install in the owner's table. An additional model setup might be required for business customers who will want to install the DK01-BIGBIZ model in existing cubicle work areas.

              I'm curious as to what Lian Li's retail price target is for the DK01?

              Just my 2¢

              from: ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
              Name Form factor (width depth)
              FlexATX 9 7.5 in (229 191 mm)
              microATX and EmbATX 9.6 9.6 in (244 244 mm)
              Mini ATX 11.2 8.2 in (284 208 mm)
              Standard ATX 12 9.6 in (305 244 mm)
              EATX (extended ATX) 12 13 in (305 330 mm)
              WTX (workstation ATX) 14 16.75 in (356 425 mm)


              Last edited by profJim; 01-03-2014, 07:49 AM. Reason: added price target question
              Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
              P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
              4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
              MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
              Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
              WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
              Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
              SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
              Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
              Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
              Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
              MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
              Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
              win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
              HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
              CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
              E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
              Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
              Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
              HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
              win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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              • #8
                Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                Suggestions:
                • Modular legs or some variation of removable/retractable legs. That should make moving the CPU around easier especially out of the house.
                • How about putting the drives in cages rather than laying them out like that? Would save plenty of space. Preferably some dedicated SSD mounts along the bottom.
                • PSU mount - could mount it laying down instead of sideways.
                • Front I/O location could be better though, as stated.


                Additional thoughts:
                • Is there space underneath the mobo tray? The images suggests so but also show the 24pin atx power snaking just underneath the drive cages.
                • Ideas on going wider?

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                • #9
                  Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                  Originally posted by profJim View Post
                  Will there be any easily removable fan filters?
                  Is there a way to allow 140 or 200mm fans to be used?
                  Increase the depth at the back to allow additional fans for air intake or exhaust.
                  Allow sound deadening material to be installed.
                  Offer an optional kit to allow the DK01 to be installed in an existing desktop surface similar to how a sink is installed in an existing counter top.

                  I'll be happy to be a beta tester for the DK01.
                  Yes, the fan filters are easily removable. Of current, only 120mm fans will fit, but we can think about changing - we would have to change the depth however.

                  Sound dampening material is a good idea.

                  For your other questions - we haven't completed decided on the glass to be used. Also, the I/O panel current location has been commented on by a lot of people. We will have to think of another location. However, we want to be careful not to take up desk space with the location as well as it being easily accessible.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                    I think you should considerate remove some HDD/SSD cages and add some 5,25" bays, ok I know that today a few people use optical drives, but Im thinking more in water cooling people that want to add some fan controllers or temperature sensors and why no?, also an optical drive, maybe they could be removal so you can add the HDD/SSD cage if you needed

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                    • #11
                      Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                      Originally posted by Lian Li Tech View Post
                      Yes, the fan filters are easily removable. Of current, only 120mm fans will fit, but we can think about changing - we would have to change the depth however.

                      Sound dampening material is a good idea.

                      For your other questions - we haven't completed decided on the glass to be used. Also, the I/O panel current location has been commented on by a lot of people. We will have to think of another location. However, we want to be careful not to take up desk space with the location as well as it being easily accessible.
                      For desk space, please consider making it 60" lengthwise. Most of us who will afford this will require that working space. Please look at options using PCIE risers/extensions if need be. Silverstone's new Raven RVZ01 is a good reference, please take time to look at how they're trying things with PCIE options to work with spaces: Silverstone Raven RVZ01 - YouTube.

                      Count me in as an early adopter for your new deskCase.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                        Dear Lian Li,

                        Thank you for the great opportunity to comment and post on the DK01 Prototype in order to pass some censure before release to the markets

                        My first thought was, that this is not an innovation at all as I have seen already something similar as a private case-mod on a German LAN-Party already 10 or 12 years ago. Nevertheless, it's a really good idea for a commercial product which I'd like to touch in reality.

                        This prototype has potential for some improvements... especially on the appearance as I personally feel it is not minimalistic and clean enough:

                        a) The combination of three colors at the same time doesn't work for my eyes. The silver dual screen holder has to match with the black glass and become less visible. I agree with earlier opinions, instead of red legs, I would prefer brushed aluminum or chrom-vanadium steel (at least as a more expensive option).

                        b) No plastic! The rubber feet is not acceptable and looks horrible cheap. It has to be entirely invisible beneath the legs. Please keep the good design element of the two rounded legs instead of typical four pillars. I really like that as it usually gives a lot of stability and is easier to mount together after delivery. However, the legs profile could be wider to make a better fit with the bold case corpus.

                        c) The case corpus size is odd and doesn't give me a symmetric impression. Honestly, it's the most ugly part on the entire thing. It's way to big in terms of height viewed from the front-side angle. Limit should be max. 140 mm (10 mm + FAN + 10 mm). GPU-Cards following the Industry-Standard reference design is anyway just 107 mm height. Two lying side ways 360 mm radiators is a perfect setup, don't change that but forget to support CPU coolers with 180 mm height. It's not required especially not by enthusiast running a silent water cooling system anyway.

                        d) Please stick to what you have wrote earlier and remove the front panel and put it on side or better at the back. I don't want to expose that this is a computer. Use monolithic design pattern and turn the Lian Li branding into just a tiny laser gravure next to power button (big letters and the nice & round green-yellow Lian Li logo under the glass next to Motherboard would be way much better). The lock is the typical lousy and easy to hack model. It doesn't make it more safety than a series of torx screws. Take it away, keep the front as clean as possible!

                        e) The glass is for sure safety glass and resistant against scratches, isn't it? Otherwise I wouldn't buy it. I'm also right to assume, that the case material is solid and thick enough to fabricate the air intake holes much more closer to each other but with a smaller profile to expose less of the interior (that will be for sure put on light).

                        Best regards
                        Tobias Topyla

                        P.S.: Please keep in mind ergonomy and taller humans in Europe (-: A larger glass surface is much appreciated. It should allow me to read a lying newspaper in the large broadsheet format plus a cup of coffee including the saucer while e.g. I'm waiting to load something for example...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                          A very interesting concept, and once I consider it I realize just how difficult it is to design such a thing without the price becoming a major problem. Please keep in mind that my comments are not to criticize the concept, but what I see as the real world realities of how such a "PC case" would be truly useful as more than simply a PC case.

                          The object as it is now is not a desk, it is a table. A desk has multiple drawers, cabinets, book cases, etc. A PC desk has those things, and a keyboard tray. Designing a true desk around the idea of a PC located as it is in the prototype would result in a PC desk with a drawer for a PC, and be at least a $500 piece of furniture. That is not what Lian Li markets, furniture.

                          On the other hand, after owning a few so called PC desks, they are terrible. I won't use another since I changed to using a table. Far superior to a desk IMO. Call the product a desk if you like, but design it as a table.

                          Assuming it is a PC table, the table top must be larger, at least twice the size it is now. Or somehow integrate-able with a table. My table is much larger than that prototype, and I have no room to spare. I use monitor arm mounts for two monitors, so monitors are not using desktop space.

                          A table must have a functional top surface, otherwise it is not a table, it's a display case.

                          Table legs are meant to be functional, not seen, unless made from wood. Bright colors make it look like a toy or child's item. The current size of the prototype also looks like a child's desk, no business man, lawyer, etc, will be sitting behind that in his office, I guarantee you that! The monitors in the pictures are very small, what would 23" - 27" monitors look like with it?

                          The space for the outlet strip, etc, is a great idea, keep that if possible.

                          Quick access to a board's I/O panel will be very difficult to provide, I cannot see that as a major focus of the design, it will compromise to many other features, such as fan/radiator vents and intakes, or the drawer access to the PC. If a person needs constant access to the I/O panel, they need to use a USB hub or buy a few more cables so they don't need to swap them constantly.

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                          • #14
                            Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01 - Serious Design Flaws

                            Dear Sirs,

                            I always been a fan of Lian Li cases. I always felt they were well design and beautiful but this one... looks like you turn a giant full tower and turned it side ways, with to ugly feet.
                            The idea (a case in a table) is excelent (I already tough of making one DIY) but is badly designed.
                            A 79,5 cm table is ergonomically wrong for a person like me (1,73 m). The keyboard should be at around 65 cm (source: Ergonomic Workspace Planner, Workstation Installation Tool). For a guy with 193 cm you should have the keyboard at 72 cm and a seat height should be at 49 cm. I think it would be impossible for the legs to fit with a 20 cm drawer (roughly from the pictures I came to a 20 cm drawer).
                            Your table is definitely for the enthusiast (hence the red led and the acrylic) but there is no fitting space for a wheel. Another detail is the frontal ports. It is very easy to damage the ports with the cables so exposed, especially the headphones and micro ports.
                            So, resuming, the table should be height should be adjustable, the drawer (or maybe should be a lid with the components in a box recessed to the end of the table) should be recessed for knee fitting and to support a wheel and the connection ports should be top mounted (maybe with a fan and volume nob - it would be nice). Some good additions would be some pre installed stuff for liquid cooling (with the pump and reservoir in the feet of the table maybe) and some height adjustment for the monitor support.
                            On the personal opinion side I think your table is ugly... I would fitter her in a school or office but never on my living room or home office.
                            Know for the good stuff: The drawer idea for easy access is awesome and super practical and the construction build is, as always, nothing short of spectacular. In terms of expand ability is impossible to do better.
                            Thank you for you time,

                            Dinis Domingos

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                            • #15
                              Re: Prototype Desk Chassis: DK01

                              -I/O ports should be on top of the desktop. I think the reasons are obvious.
                              -Make a table top compatible with Ikea office desk options (e.g. legs, ect). This does a couple things. 1) Allows users to swap out legs for a wide range of options. 2) Allows users to integrate desktop into a larger functional office. 3) Ikea is widespread enough to be available to a wide range of audience thorough the world.

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