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  • i7 4930k worth the money?!

    As subject line says...I am wondering if i7 4930k worth the difference in price from i7 4820k...I know it does performs better, but, I am not gamer, so CAD, programming, web design and photo/video is my concern. None of these are mission critical...my mobo is X79S-UP5 WiFi...and if haven't got this one, I would buy AMD system again as I never ever had this kind of doubt with it! The problem is I will be losing heavily by selling off these components!
    So guys...please, I need the answer by tomorrow morning...so, 12 hours from now!
    Does the 4930k really outshine 4820k dead, in real life not synthetics!?
    Thanks!!

  • #2
    Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

    With your concern for real world performance, I think that the question is will your CAD, web design and photo/video applications perform significantly faster with the more expensive 6/12 core 4930K cpu. Unfortunately most comparison reviews post synthetic benchmark results that don't easily translate to real world results. You should get more useful suggestions in forums that deal with the specific applications that you will be using.
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    • #3
      Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

      Thanks for quick reply...
      Basically, this is my concern, exactly what you have describe....real life performance not the numbers with nothing real behind it.
      I am coming from the world of AMD FX 8350, and for most of the time I was quite happy with results except little critter here and there....and to be honest I went for Intel just to try MacOS X on it...well it didn't worked out at all.
      My impression with i7 3820 is kind of flat...to be honest, I have impression that my HTPS based around A8-3870k boots faster, works better and smoother and definitely less issues as they got no ME no vast number of drivers required to run the platform...AMD need only graphics driver and SB driver and off you go.
      I did update BIOS after BIOS on my mobo, but still can't OC the CPU...let alone inability to use RAID 5 on SAS controller...something that shocked me!
      So, all this taken into account I had nothing else up my sleeves but to ask you guys if anyone have real life experience with some of these CPU's...
      There's also one more thing about this endless saga...everyone talking about enormous power consumption of FX CPU's...dear friends...I've had one overclocked which never ever crossed 227W mark as I have power meter all the time on my PC...but my 3820 at regular time cross the line of 280W...and while 8350 idling at 75W 3820 never drops under 110W...so who's crazy here?
      Anyway...I am getting tilted one way or another coz of that....and by tomorrow I have to make final decision!
      The machine will see the light of the day for at least next 3 years! So it has to be a good one!
      Thanks guys!

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      • #4
        Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

        It looks like the 4930K is about $255 more expensive than the 4820K. That's $85 more per year or $7 per month for a three year time frame. Have you checked out Adobe or CAD forums where you should be able to find threads that deal with which systems deliver the best bang for the buck? If there's only a 5% benefit with the 4930K it might not be worth it. Being able to fully utilize 6/12 threads vs 4/8 threads would be my major deciding point when running intensive applications. The 4930's L3 cache is 20% larger (12MB vs 10MB).

        I can't be more specific as Lightroom is as heavy as it gets with my P35/Q9650 system and I don't do intensive image manipulation.

        The bottom line is how fast are you willing to spend?
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        MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
        Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
        WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
        Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
        SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
        Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
        Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
        Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
        MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
        Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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        HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
        CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
        E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
        Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
        Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
        HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
        win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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        • #5
          Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

          Yeah, Lightroom if the app which just fly on AMD systems...for some reason, lol!
          I did investigate this for some time, but opportunity to replace my CPU just comes yesterday, so I have to decide quickly.
          I know that 2.5MB per core is better than 2MB per core...however, those 6 cores should practically and theoretically be faster than 4...of course if this is time important there would be no reason for doubt...but I use this machine for little bit of everything...except the games, no gaming here!
          CAD isn't important at all...it's mostly single thread so...
          Adobe is different breed of animal...mostly power and RAM hungry...
          Utilization of 6 cores is question of software I will be using, but again, it is not at all that critical...just the opportunity comes around and I thought if that would be a smart move...however, I am under impression that I should spend more into RAM rather than into CPU...
          I do run VM's and the whole idea to build such machine was to have a workstation class of PC to use it for as many uses as I could imagine...from programming to media center back end...

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          • #6
            Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

            WHAT!!! You aren't going to using 64GB of ram?
            Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
            P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
            4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
            MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
            Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
            WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
            Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
            SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
            Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
            Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
            Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
            MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
            Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
            win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
            HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
            CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
            E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
            Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
            Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
            HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
            win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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            • #7
              Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

              I'll be running few VM's in background...like Server 2012 essentials and another copy of 2012 for testing purposes....Essentials will be fully operational server for production purpose and act as my web server...so, 64GB would be utilized pretty much all the way! Or at least I believe so as when I upload my Nikon D7100 RAW images into Photoshop, my 16GB shrinks fairly rapidly!

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              • #8
                Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                What I've read and my own limited experiences with VM's, owing to the architecture of the cores, the AMD FX's runs circles around Intel's HyperThreading(4C\8T) when looking at VM performance. VM's running in HT threads take a performance hit as they aren't physical cores.
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                • #9
                  Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                  @OP: Were u trying to run Mac OS X on ur hardware as VM Ware or as a Hackintosh?
                  Intel Core i7-4770K (De-lidded) | EVGA Z87 FTW (ATX) | My case: Modified Apple Powermac G5
                  Silverstone SST-ST1200-G Evolution Strider Gold 1200W | Noctua NH-U12S | ASUS BW-12B1ST
                  OCZ Vertex 4 512GB | Western Digital VelociRaptor 500GB | EVGA GeForce GTX 680 SC
                  Patriot Dual Bay 2.5" SATA 3.5" drive bay (for SSD) | Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB DDR3 2400MHz


                  * i7-980X * EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR * Cosair Vengeance 16GB (3X4GB) DDR3 1600MHZ
                  * EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked 2GB * Western Digital 1 TB VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ (Mac OS X 10.8.5/10.9.5/10.10.3)
                  * Western Digital 600 GB VelociRaptor (Windows 8.1.1) * Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl
                  * LG WH10LS30 10X SATA Blu-ray Burner * EVGA Supernova 1000 G2 * Corsair H100

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                  • #10
                    Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                    I was hoping that a TonymacX86 and his Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide April 2014 preferable list was correct! Well..no...they haven't been ok! Obviously!

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                    • #11
                      Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                      Originally posted by Lil_Heidi View Post
                      I was hoping that a TonymacX86 and his Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide April 2014 preferable list was correct! Well..no...they haven't been ok! Obviously!
                      Tonymac has a standard way in which he advises members of his site on how to carry out the installation of Mac OS X and the hardware to buy. By no means are you restricted to only buy the hardware he suggests. Even though I am a member of his site (for undisclosed reasons), I don't condone his antics, antics meaning that he does not welcome other ways of thinking when building a PC based-Mac. i.e., All installation methods other than what he promotes will get you banned instantly, which I can attest to that here. Tony's "business model" is to introduce new users to the Hackintosh scene by commercializing it with a one-size-fits-all turn key installation method such as "Unibeast", "iBoot" Boot CD and the "Chimera" bootloader (Chameleon rip-off), all of which he takes credit for even though they were stolen open-source works from hard working coders/developers who didn't get a dime for their work, nor would they sell it for profit unlike Tony. For example here: tonymac , seriously ? | Prasys' Blog and here: Bug 11 &ndash; Latest version breaks iMessages . Tony in turn gets paid by the hardware manufacturers each time someone purchases an item he advised users to buy from the links on his "customac" lists as well as selling advertising space. My problem with that is the Hackintosh community was not built on commercialism and his close-mindedness is not welcome with the rest of the community, documented here: Why InsanelyMac does not support tonymacx86 - New Users Lounge - InsanelyMac Forum . Bear in mind, that Tony only promotes the use of Gigabyte and some Asus boards, and even though they have a higher success rate for installations, that doesn't mean users are limited to those brands. Furthermore, when users install OS X using Tony's so-called "dedicated" installation methods, they don't learn anything. So during circumstances when the install breaks because of some knucklehead decision or mistake made by the user, the user is left up the creek, and is totally dependent on Tony's solutions, explained why here at the top. I've seen right through Tonymac's gimmicks immediately since I got into building hackintoshes almost 4 years ago. I wouldn't sweat his worthless POS shopping list he's promoting. If you have questions, feel free to message me. I can help you get set in the right direction.

                      Here's a look at a couple of walkthroughs I made to document the installation process of Mac OS X on my system:

                      http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/top...t-is-possible/

                      http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1815956

                      On a side note: here's a video for your comic relief displaying Tonymac's fascist ways here. Enjoy
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                      Intel Core i7-4770K (De-lidded) | EVGA Z87 FTW (ATX) | My case: Modified Apple Powermac G5
                      Silverstone SST-ST1200-G Evolution Strider Gold 1200W | Noctua NH-U12S | ASUS BW-12B1ST
                      OCZ Vertex 4 512GB | Western Digital VelociRaptor 500GB | EVGA GeForce GTX 680 SC
                      Patriot Dual Bay 2.5" SATA 3.5" drive bay (for SSD) | Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB DDR3 2400MHz


                      * i7-980X * EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR * Cosair Vengeance 16GB (3X4GB) DDR3 1600MHZ
                      * EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked 2GB * Western Digital 1 TB VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ (Mac OS X 10.8.5/10.9.5/10.10.3)
                      * Western Digital 600 GB VelociRaptor (Windows 8.1.1) * Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl
                      * LG WH10LS30 10X SATA Blu-ray Burner * EVGA Supernova 1000 G2 * Corsair H100

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                      • #12
                        Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                        Hi Urbanman...

                        I can see that you went seriously into describing experience with above...
                        Well, not that i really follow the Tonymac suite, it was more like quick glance, looks good why not...type of decision!
                        Obviously, I made an big mistake..costly at least and time consuming!
                        Now, the serious issue is that I cannot see that mobo loads anything but windows on it..this is concerning issue...so no linux nor any other OS from the wild! THis is what concern me..also 1 pin, bottom end of my USB3 connector was broken as from the box..I haven't realized that from the set go as I haven't use it. Just few days ago I took it back to my bench n upon closer inspection I noticed that one pin isn't there. Of course, once I connected USB3 header 1 port works other don't...but this is another issue.
                        What really kills me about that, still everyone will admit...great looking mobo is overall stability...mean, if it drops into standby mode, the only way is hard reset..you will never get it back running, or overall stability...you can run the testing crushers for weeks, then suddenly out of blue when u doing nothing with your machine it'll BSOD!!! So...lots of glitches here and there and as far as my board is rev.1.0 I suspect this will never ever be fixed. As if Giga was about to fix it they'll do it throughout the year. The inability to boot any other OS is concerning, I could almost say a game changer! I have never seen so terrible semi-product as this one, and I am so disappointing into overall value or service provided. Perhaps I will try to contact the Giga again about this mobo and see what this time they will say!

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                        • #13
                          Re: i7 4930k worth the money?!

                          O wow... Back in '07, I had an issue that was somewhat worse than yours with an ASUS I bought brand new. The seller sold me a board that came in DOA. I had to go through the hassle of playing cat an mouse with their tech support by telling them the problem, them walking me through troubleshooting like it was gonna change everything, and eventually after a lot escalations I was able to get a replacement. I would never recommend Gigabyte though. Although their boards are inexpensive, their quality is cheap like plastic. I only fool with EVGA. Their customer service and warranty claim is the best in the industry, bar none. I have Mac OS X 10.9.2 and Windows 8.1.1 running stable on (2) of my EVGA machines. With the problems you're having I would think it would warrant a replacement. I'm assuming it's too late to send the board back to the retailer? If I were you, I would take advantage of your warranty by getting a replacement. From there, sell the board on ebay. You may have to take a loss, I did with that ASUS board (close to $100) but in the end, I ended adopting EVGA's boards as my go-to flagship for motherboards. I can't expect you to follow my lead, but to me a computer product isn't worth keeping if getting it to work is like pulling teeth when the customer service sucks.
                          Intel Core i7-4770K (De-lidded) | EVGA Z87 FTW (ATX) | My case: Modified Apple Powermac G5
                          Silverstone SST-ST1200-G Evolution Strider Gold 1200W | Noctua NH-U12S | ASUS BW-12B1ST
                          OCZ Vertex 4 512GB | Western Digital VelociRaptor 500GB | EVGA GeForce GTX 680 SC
                          Patriot Dual Bay 2.5" SATA 3.5" drive bay (for SSD) | Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB DDR3 2400MHz


                          * i7-980X * EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR * Cosair Vengeance 16GB (3X4GB) DDR3 1600MHZ
                          * EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked 2GB * Western Digital 1 TB VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ (Mac OS X 10.8.5/10.9.5/10.10.3)
                          * Western Digital 600 GB VelociRaptor (Windows 8.1.1) * Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl
                          * LG WH10LS30 10X SATA Blu-ray Burner * EVGA Supernova 1000 G2 * Corsair H100

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